Home › Forums › Rose & Cross – Hidden Hand › Alan & Jackie › Alan & Jackie › Reply To: Alan & Jackie June 5, 2022 at 8:14 am #10861 EKKeymaster Jackie: Thank you for opening for us. Folks, Alan probably already said this is Wednesday the 13th of July and it is the last night of our broadcast week of course. I want to share our spiritual message tonight. This is a statement attributed to Jesus in Matthew 25 beginning with verse 35. “For I was hungry and you gave me meat. I was thirsty and you gave me drink. I was a stranger and you took me in naked and you clothed me. I was sick and you visited me. I was in prison and you came unto me; inasmuch as you have done it unto the least of these my brethren ye have done it unto me.” Basically what he is saying is that we are all one. Yes, Alan? Alan: What he’s saying is that if you neglect those who are less fortunate as yourself then eventually that which afflicts them will creep up to you. Jackie: Okay, “As you sow, so shall you reap.” Alan: It’s the same today as the gasoline goes up and so on and as always in history the middle classes are the last ones to scream because they think well I don’t care about the ones beneath me who get driven off the road first, I’m okay, until it’s starts to eat into their budget. That’s why the system is constructed this way. No one stands together on anything. Jackie: You know what that reminds me of in Flint, Michigan, which is where I was born and raised, of course it was an automotive town for eons, but then of course they started closing down. People at the factories made very good money for those times and often there were husbands and wives who both worked at the factory and they had something on television. I wasn’t living there at the time but there was a documentary on TV about the people who were being laid-off their jobs and for example one of the couples that they had were saying that the wife had been laid-off but he still maintained his, but they weren’t able to meet their mortgage payment and they were going to lose their home; and I was talking to a person and she said well good for them, maybe it’s time they start seeing how the other side lives. In other words, there was no compassion and it was just like well if we’re poor why shouldn’t they be. Alan: I’ve seen this all through Europe which was going through all of the deindustrialization since World War II, the only difference being that it was never admitted to the public that this was an agenda and so you lived through a misery of constant close-downs and unemployment, and of course those who make more than the rest and who think they’re indispensable have no compassion on the ones beneath them. Everyone has been divided them and that’s how you rule them. You divide and conquer. You have no cohesion there you see and this system is set up deliberately in that fashion so it can be taken down at any time and there is no cohesion between the people and that’s very unfortunate but that’s deliberate too. Jackie: That’s basically what this verse tonight from the Bible said. Alan: Yes and the most amazing thing is that the antidote to all of our ills is in the New Testament, there’s no doubt, and it preexisted the writing of the New Testament. The antidote has always been known but people won’t go there because the antidote is for everyone to help everyone else. Jackie: In other words, do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Alan: And a pure faith that if you do give your extra coat to somebody, then when you need one down the road then someone’s going to give one to you. If people truly followed that system, which was a natural tribal system at one time, there would be no bankers, no money, no debt, no system to rule our lives and dictate to us what we must do. Unfortunately, in a materialistic world which has been created through the banking system, everyone looks at everyone else to say well who’s going to go first and try this, to try this other way, and no one wants to do it. Jackie: They address that very thing in the Protocols, knowing human nature, that bringing people into the materialistic system where the more stuff you have the more “oh I guess you’re supposed to be happier?”I have a friend who’s a multi, multi, multimillionaire and I actually feel sorry for this person. In fact, I used to work for him but I talked to him one day. He had just gotten a new condo in Nevada, a penthouse thing, and he said he was sitting there surveying his kingdom and he has – I suppose his friends – and he’s actually had pictures taken with Poppy Bush and lots of movie stars and that’s his life; and I don’t know. Do you think he thinks he’s happy? Alan: I’m sure he thinks he’s supposed to be happy, because that’s what everything gears you up to is the more you have then the less worries in the material world you should have, so therefore technically you’re supposed to be happy and of course that’s not true because this is an artificial system we live in. There’s nothing natural about anything. In fact the whole commercial system runs on the fact that people are not happy and that’s why they can sell all kinds of gadgetry to the public on the premise that if you buy this you’re going to be happy. If people were truly happy the system would fall apart by itself and we’d buy no more and see gee I’ve actually got all I need or all I want, you see. No, it’s all a big lie and it’s not a natural system. It’s a system that was developed thousands of years ago by let’s just say beings that have observed humanity for long enough to decide how to take it over and it was taken over through very clever means, looking at the weaknesses of the male and the weaknesses of the female and exploiting them. That’s how you take over. You exploit those weaknesses and you dangle beads in front of the woman et cetera and then you dangle the woman with the beads in front of the male and that’s when status comes in and superiority and I’m better than the guy next to me, I’ve got all this wealth, and that’s how the whole darn thing was done. If you look at ancient tribes, for instance, it’s recorded even in the writings of Tacitus of Rome that the European tribes, the chiefs who were elected by the way had no more property or personal valuables than the average tribesman. They had no more, so the money system itself creates the greed, creates the class divisions and of course it also enables those who run the system to then take back any money which represents your labor in taxes. That’s how they do it. They get the world working for them under the guise of you working for yourself. You’re actually working for them when 40 percent or more of your labor goes back to them in taxes. Jackie: In your book and I had this as a question I wanted to ask you. You had told us about Sparta in the past and how Sparta the people lived. You had told us about a system where the men were warriors and they actually had to be in the army and that they weren’t able to live with their wives and stuff like that. It was all common. They ate together and lived together and in your book you talk about Sparta, and I’m not challenging. I want you to explain this that you said the Spartans had been at one time a healthy wholesome people in total control of their own affairs and you used it as an example. They had their own monetary system et cetera. Was that an earlier time? Alan: Yes. Jackie: Okay, so it was after they got into the monetary system that they got so nuts? Alan: Every country had been taken over by bankers from Asia Minor basically who had come in and the merchant bankers were that. They were merchants and bankers in one and they dangled their goods there and they introduced their silver and said well if you accept this coinage in other words and then repay us the next time in the same coinage you can buy more stuff. They were introducing their money system everywhere they went and Sparta initially allowed some of them in and the King Lycurgus noticed that every other country that allowed this became servants to these bankers. They were all in debt. Every citizen was taxed to death. Property was confiscated and so on, and so he kicked them all out and reestablished the traditional means of exchange which they’d used, which was basically iron and the iron that they used was tempered in such a way that you couldn’t even cut it and then reuse it for anything else. It was solely for money and no one else wanted it but they were self- sufficient so they used it internally and it functioned very well. Jackie: What you told us about them, they were almost slaves to the government. Well, they were. That was later after. Alan: That was later because they went through such prolonged warfare for many, many years fighting the countries that had already been taken over. See, once the countries were taken over by the bankers, the bankers then put their own men in to advise the tyrants to create standing armies and train them and they gave them the money to supply them with armaments and then they would send them off on conquests on their neighbors. In other words, those countries which had not yet accepted the money, so they tried that with Sparta too and Sparta fought for years and kept winning all the time and they threw many, many other nations armies against them but the Spartans kept winning. However, through it all, they lost so many men and they captured so many people that they used as slaves that they began to get debauched themselves. That’s what warfare does to people in a prolonged fashion. Even though you’re winning the war in a sense in a defensive way, you still become debauched because you still have to have grain growing and farming done and all the rest of it, and when all the men are off fighting, then once you start using slaves then you’re going down the same path as the very people that you’re fighting against. Jackie: I noticed that you said in here that when the bankers began getting a toehold you said along with treaties loans came the usual (this is today) that that was way back then. What is the timeline here? Alan: The Spartans eventually had to give in. Jackie: I know but what is just the general timeline? Alan: They had to basically give in and admitted defeat around 350 BC or so. Jackie: Okay, that long ago? Alan: Yes. Jackie: You said here and we know that this is so by our own experience today, along with treaty loans came the usual pornography, narcotics, expensive wines and deviant sexual practices everywhere they go. Everywhere they go. Alan: They’ve found so many clay tablets even of pornography and intercourse and postures and all this stuff and they found it all the way from Babylon on the trade routes and they’ve even found down in the Aegean Sea where ships were sunk that there was whole boat loads of what was then pornography, wine and drugs as well because they did have trade with India and carried opium all over the place. It’s the same technique. It’s been here for thousands of years. Jackie: That’s why this international priesthood that’s been around for eons so well knows basic human nature. Alan: Absolutely. There’s no creature more studied on the planet than man and women in minute detail and that’s why human behavior is predictable if you put forth a sequence, as though pushing buttons. A certain sequence will produce a certain reaction from the public and it will always produce the same reaction if produced in the same way. Jackie: I want our listeners to know that what you mentioned about the pornography, there is a photocopy here in the book, a picture of one of the clay tablets of what you were talking about, sexual positions. Do you care if I read one paragraph here? Alan: Carry on. Jackie: This is after Sparta. I wanted our listeners to hear this. “The reason for dwelling on Sparta is because it is perhaps one of the most clear examples of how countries fall, one-by-one to tried and proven methods of subversion by a determined group of men of ‘secrecy,’ a special ‘brotherhood’ with a cunning and totally ruthless ‘something’ at the top, something with almost incredible intellect and knowledge of human behaviour; something which plans the future many centuries in advance, that which it calls progress nothing more than a business-plan for the entire world. There have been many ‘Spartas’ down through the ages, with ever-increasing mass slaughter of peoples as this dark ‘thing’ gets closer and closer to its goal. Not one generation has been allowed freedom from war for the last few hundred years, especially in Europe.” Boy, it’s just like you’re describing today, Alan, and this ‘thing.’ What is this ‘thing,’ in your mind, what is this dark ‘thing’? It’s almost out of this world. Alan: It’s a combination; it’s almost a mosaic you might say. Jackie: Would you define mosaic for me please? Alan: A mosaic is that which is made up of different parts which make the whole, like a jigsaw puzzle, and so certainly there’s no doubt whatsoever here in the world we have different strata of humanity working towards a destination which openly declares the elimination of the majority of the rest of humanity. These people who are at the top of this are extremely wealthy because has always been the key to everything in an economic system. We are actually classified as human cattle and producers in this system. Jackie: The word capital as a matter of fact came from the word chattel, cattle and capital. Alan: Yes, and even the stock market – the stock was the cattle in the markets, like a cattle market. Jackie: Oh my God, Alan, like the stockyards. Alan: That’s exactly where it came from, so we are the laborers. We are the stock market. Everything in this system is artificial – deviant actually. See, anything which isn’t natural is therefore deviant and the deviants are running the world and not only running the world, they’ve trained everyone who’s born into the system that this is all quite natural and that money is natural and 12 or 13 banking families control the world and that’s somehow quite natural too. Then we’re trained through a schooling system to go out there and produce for them and pay 40 percent or more of your taxes back to them so that they can then keep in power and create a system of power which cannot be broken because they buy armaments and all the rest of it to take care of their own system. Money is the key. Money itself is a deviant creation. Jackie: And taxes are a deviant creation. Alan: Absolutely. Taxes at one time were called “fees,” from “feu,” from the Norman word “feu,” for feudal, you see. Feudal, you had fee and you had to pay your fee to the lord, and so they changed it from that to taxes. Now to tax someone means to labor. To labor, you see. You tax yourself, you’re laboring yourself, so taxing is simply taking away so much of your time, energy and work and giving it or actually stealing it from you and giving it to them and that’s how this system keeps itself in power. Jackie: So taxes are so taxing? Alan: Yes. Jackie: On our energy? Alan: Absolutely. That’s what taxes mean. They take from you that which would be useless to them unless it was their system, and that is money, so they dish it out there so that we all run like little trained rats to grab the money. We pull levers all day long in a factory and then we get a feed at the end of it or we get a paycheck. It’s the same Pavlovian principle and then they take so much of it back from us, but by this token they can hire as many as they want of us to work for them for their agenda and even create the weaponry and the scientific structure to maintain a superpower over the public of the world and that’s exactly how they keep control of it all. Money is a deviant thing. It’s a deviant creation and those who run this system are the deviant creation. Jackie: And what we as individuals can do is everything within our ability and power to do not to become part of the system. You know the ID. If you’re caught on the street today without an ID of some type, you’re going to be probably termed a terrorist. Alan: Yes and when you tell them well I have no ID or no idea, that won’t hold up anymore. Jackie: No, it wouldn’t. We have to take our break here. We’ll be right back with Alan Watt. Alan, thanks for your patience. Alan: If I can go off the track for a minute and mention something. Jackie: Oh, go anywhere you want, my dear. Alan: I need advice on something here. Jackie: What? Alan: Yes, because you know how I’ve been getting trouble photocopying the stuff I write? Jackie: Yes. Alan: Well, today I was making up a master copy on my little single photocopy machine and tiny piece of plastic bust which held a spring on it and that was the end of that, so what I want to know is there anything out there that isn’t too expensive that can actually be used for some sort of desktop publishing so that I can do my own prints and so on on a fairly large scale that isn’t too expensive and lot of maintenance and so on? Jackie: Alan? Alan: Yes. Jackie: You are asking the wrong person, but you know what? You’ve put this out there and folks, I want any of you who have some information for him, there could be one of you out there who has equipment that you’re not using that you might like to donate, except I need for Alan to be a little bit more clear on what it is he is looking for. Now Alan, exactly again what is it? Alan: Well, I have so much trouble with the companies the regular chains like Staples and so on — Jackie: Out of this world trouble. Alan: Literally out of this world trouble, destroying master copies and everything– Jackie: Not the people, the machines. Alan: That’s right and the people doing crazy things certainly. I’m almost paranoid to put my stuff out there. No Mason is going to print this stuff because I disclose the real truth about masonry – not the bookstore-shelf type thing you can buy. I go much deeper than that, but no Mason is going to print this and so what I need is something which can do multiple copies so I’m not standing all day making up one copy for one person. Jackie: Well, you know it seems to me like you need a duplexer too. Either that or – in other words, duplexing means having both sides of the page copied.That could be an expensive piece of equipment. When I owned my business – in fact I bought it particularly for this stuff that would do duplexing and collating and et cetera. Collating is putting the pages in the order. Those machines are pretty expensive but you can if you had one that gave you nice crisp clean copies you could always feed the pages in, turn them over, put them back in and feed them through the other side and you could do that and it still would be time saving. Anyways, folks, this is what Alan’s question was and if there is anybody out three that has some suggestions for him or as I said maybe a piece of equipment that you’re not using. I had a lovely copy machine donated to me back in about 19 gosh about ’94 and it doesn’t duplex or anything like that but it is a really – well, right now it needs door but it is a nice machine and it was donated and people are very generous when they appreciate what you’re doing. Alan: Well, if I had something like that I could churn out a book a month. That’s the problem. I take my stuff into the stores. They see these symbols and so on. Everything goes crazy. The machines break down. They shred your master copies and you end up walking out with a box full of shredded material, and that’s happened actually. Jackie: Who’s to say that maybe some wealthy person could be listening to this broadcast that would be willing to set you up or something like that. Alan: Yes, because I certainly am not wealthy. I could be if I wanted to go back into the world for sure, but no, I scrape by like many people and I donate a lot of time to what I’m doing. Jackie: Yes you do. Pat called last night, Patrick, and he wanted to know if you would be willing to give us a little bit of a bio on yourself so they get a sense of who is Alan Watt? Alan: Well, I won’t go too far into credentials except to say yes, I certainly did have a profession that was sort of highly regarded and I walked away from it and I was qualified and so on. I then went into music and did a lot of session work in studios and I also formed groups to play live musicals and I also did classical guitar solo on stage across Europe. Jackie: Didn’t you build your own guitar? Alan: Yes, oh yeah. Jackie: Oh yeah. Alan: Yes I did. I did all that too and I walked away from that again and I made a fair bit of money at the time and I also walked away from a marriage and left the money with it and I didn’t care because I thought I could do it all again if I wanted to. However, then I chose a different path and I’m glad I did, because the path of learning – I’d learned all I had to learn by meeting powerful people and seeing how culture is created by certain individuals who are trained from birth basically in culture creation of music or movies or stage plays and so on, so I mixed with that crew and I could see them working and I knew it was not haphazard. I knew there was a direction to all of it. No matter what country you went into the same things were happening culture-wise in every single country, which told me there was a guiding hand behind this and that those who created the culture and altered culture were all in cahoots together from some central source and of course we know that is true today. Truly, there is no grassroots culture. As Plato said 2,350 years ago, he said, we give the people their culture, we control the mechanisms of culture. He said we give them music, the type of music and he said so we need the music industry. That’s what he called it. He said we also use the fashion industry which goes along with it and we also use the acting industry; and it hasn’t changed today and he said the people see these things and emulate what they see and the fashions that are worn, they mimic them. They want the same clothing et cetera, so this was understood thousands of years ago. And it’s so much so that Plato said that music especially since it can affect the young to go to any lengths of either ecstasy or rebellion. He said music should be licensed and musicians that are very good at their art should be licensed because he knew the power that it could have on the young especially and he says we can use the youth for rebellion simply by the type of music we give them. This is 2,350 years ago and nothing has changed except that you have massive studios all interconnected, a massive industry that throws people in front of you, builds them up and tells you that they’re stars and they don’t even have to have any talent at all because the equipment is so fantastic anybody can sing through it and sound right. All you need is someone to act or mime and they’re an instant star. Jackie: I remember when you told us that, that they just choose the people to put them out front and that maybe the best really talented ones are at home. But I’ll you when that really – I didn’t disbelieve you but there are certain times you say things, I don’t discard it or reject it but I don’t necessarily accept it as oh okay because Alan said it. But I flipped on the TV one night and they were having one of those Jerry Lewis Telethons. This lady walked out on the stage and she had on a long full skirt, kind of long. She had boots on and she was singing Nancy Sinatra’s song “These Boots Are Made for Walking,” I felt so sorry for this woman. I thought oh my God, she can’t even carry a tune. Who in the world is that and then Jerry Lewis said come over here and sit in Uncle Jerry’s lap and it was Nancy Sinatra. She was heavier so I didn’t recognize her looks, but Alan, she couldn’t even carry a tune. Alan: Many of them are like that. Marianne Faithful that used to be with the Rolling Stones or Mick Jagger, it was the same. She was always discordant. She was tone deaf in fact. There’s many like that. Jackie: Just give me one song she sang? Alan: I can’t even remember. Jackie: I remember the name but I don’t recall. Alan: They were so pitiful that they’re not worth remembering. Jackie: When you were talking about giving us the culture through music, you see the children today opting into the black culture. It’s actually African. Alan: This is something even beyond Africa. Jackie: It is, isn’t it, Alan? Alan: It’s beyond Africa. Even in Africa they had some talent but the stuff that they’ve used the blacks to promote, it’s a scientific sub-primitive type of music which is beyond way before Africa. I was listening to one rap artist who went downhill on drugs and alcohol and the high life and he said we walked into a studio when we first started with a clean decent song, and I’ve seen this happening because I used to work in that kind of field, but he said by the time they had finished with the song they’d rewritten everything and “kill cops,” there was “screw you” and all this kind of stuff in there and they became instant hits and their image was made for them. You’ll wear your baggy pants down to here et cetera, he says but that wasn’t how we even started. That’s what those who control the industry wanted. Jackie: So in other words – yes, it occurs to me and I didn’t even think about it. I wasn’t the blacks who really thought up these baggy pants and wearing the hats backwards. It was given to them and then the white children and all of the races are mimicking it and do you know the thing that gets me is that the parents go along with this and allow it. We have a phone call here. Hello. Kate: Jackie? Jackie: Yes. Kate: I don’t know if you’re taking a phone call. This is Kate. Jackie: Hi Kate. We’ll take your phone call, my dear. Kate: Ask Alan. I’m very disturbed. I heard on a program earlier, do they have a human right tribunal in Toronto, Canada? Jackie: You’ll have to hang up to hear him, honey. Kate: Yes I know. Jackie: Okay, Alan, you heard her. Do they have a human rights tribunal in Canada? Kate: I heard a restaurant owner that was put up before that tribunal because he refused to advertise gay marriages. I mean have they come to the point that Edgar Bronfman the Jew that runs Canada and promotes homosexuality is coming to the United States and I’ll hang up. Jackie: Kate, did you say that you heard that on a newscast or a radio broadcast? Oh, she’s hung up. All right, did you hear if she said she heard it on a radio broadcast or a news broadcast, Alan? Alan: I didn’t catch that part, but it is illegal not to take advertising from these communities as they call them. If you’re a printer or whatever you happen to be and you deny them access to your facility and you will not print their material, then you will be fined or imprisoned or whatever. Jackie: I thought she said a restaurant owner wouldn’t promote gay marriage and went before the human rights tribunal in Canada. Alan: I don’t see how a restaurant though has anything to do with promoting gay marriage. Jackie: Did she say restaurant owner? Alan: I think so. Jackie: Okay. Her basic question is do you know if there’s a human rights tribunal in Canada? Alan: Yes. It’s the wrong term for it because it’s not human rights. It’s the agenda’s rights and it’s called political correctness. The term political correctness in English is the direct translation from the term they used in the Soviet Union because that’s what they went through and that’s why we call it political correctness. We have it here now of course. It’s mandated. This is what you will think and this is what you must say and don’t you dare say anything to the contrary. This is of course freedom and democracy. It’s so farcical that these people who claim that they’re not bigoted and anything can go because they don’t care and anybody should be able to worship whatever they want or do whatever they want, when you go against their agenda they certainly show you that they’re utter liars because they’ll come down on you for your beliefs. They’re utter hypocrites, under the guise of complete liberalism they will destroy, they’ll annihilate you because they’re more intolerant than any system that’s ever existed basically, but that is their system. Jackie: Well, I’m going back to the parents here. I just think it is so important for parents who know this and understand this and hopefully our listeners are sharing this information with their children so that the children understand how they’re being used. For example, gay rights. I made it clear to my grandchildren there’s nothing gay about homosexuality. Now they act like oh it’s great today and it’s normal. There’s nothing normal about it. The human body wasn’t even made that way. Alan: Well, what gets me is that – see, all children as they’re going through puberty feel awkward, male and female. You watch them moving even. You can tell them feel and look awkward and they’re trying to sort out who they are in the big scheme of things, which is artificial to begin with, and here you have counselors saying well maybe you’re homosexual. Jackie: That’s right. Alan: They also tell them well maybe if you haven’t tried it then you’re inhibited. Jackie: Thank you for bringing this up because I received a call from a listener last night and he said it’s never going fly. It’s just not natural and I didn’t want to get in a debate. I just said they are pushing it down the children’s throats and I recall hearing this on I think it was the news. Not on TV, but radio when a 12-year old boy, a seventh grader, he was told after an assessment test or whatever they do, psychological testing at school, that he was homosexual and they asked him how do you feel to find out that you’re homosexual? He said, I don’t know because I didn’t know I was one. But the fact that from grade school, kindergarten today, they are promoting this homosexuality is a normal healthy way of being, there’s nothing wrong or unnatural about it. Well, these children are in such a formative stage and today’s children have been given and shoved down their throats so much pornography that sex has become meaningless. Alan: This is what people have to understand: nothing in society in cultural change comes from the public. It comes from a system that’s changing direction to the next part of their system and what it is is that they want to create a world and Plato talked about it thousands of years ago. They want to create a world where they have perfect slaves and they’re going to clone these slaves. However, step-by-step you have to get to the cloning stage and that can only be done when the public have no conception of what normality is anymore. Jackie: And of course they’re doing it. Give us the young. Give us the young and within a generation we can change the world and that’s exactly and I hope my caller last night is listening to this because I just wasn’t in the mood to go into it and we’re almost out of our hour again, but you shared something with me. There was a documentary on I believe CBC and these young people and they were wearing the tongue buttons or whatever and a young girl 12 or 13 years old I think – I know this is sensitive but it was regarding oral sex and she said it’s nothing. Alan: It’s nothing, yeah. It’s like Bill Clinton, “I did not have sex with that woman.” Technically, he was using newspeak as you would say. Jackie: Yes. All right, well Alan, once again thank you for being with us. Alan: It’s a pleasure as always. Jackie: Thank you and ladies and gentlemen, have a lovely four days off from this broadcast and we’ll be back with you on Monday and I’m hoping tomorrow, Alan, the rest of the garden is going to be totally finished. It hasn’t rained yet and they promised it. Alan: Oh well. If they promised it they’ll give it to you. Jackie: Okay. You have a lovely time with your guests. Give them my regards. Alan: I will. Jackie: Okay, good night. Alan: Good night. (Transcribed by Linda) Alan Watt on “Sweet Liberty” with Jackie Patru July 18, 2005 Jackie: Good evening ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty. We were so late getting on. We had a guest lined up this evening and I do not know what happened. This is whatever, so at the last minute I called Alan and what we were going to be talking about tonight and I hope that she will be able to come on with us. We were going to be talking about aspartame. I’ve got a video, a DVD actually and this thing is just atrocious. It’s terrible what’s going on and the deaths and the illness that has been created by this terrible additive of excitotoxin that has been added to so many foods. Anyway, Alan is with us and today is the Monday the 18th of July in the year 2005 and I sure hope you stayed with us. Well, those of you who are listening did stay with us, didn’t you? We were five minutes late getting on. Alan, thanks for being here tonight. Alan: It’s a pleasure. Jackie: Yeah, right. Way last minute, huh? Alan: Last minute, yes, and a very hot night too. Jackie: Oh boy is it hot there too, Alan? Alan: On Saturday, it hit 115. Jackie: Oh no. Now, actual temperature or heat index? Alan: That was the temperature on the thermometer. It was over 100 in the shade. Jackie: Oh my God. And what is it going down to in the evening? Alan: It’s around just above 80 right now, sometimes 85. Jackie: But I mean Saturday, it went down to 80 that night? Alan: That night, no. It stayed around – well into darkness it was just below 90 and they were spraying the skies like crazy. Jackie: Yes. Well, it’s I don’t know about probably 90 here. I was going to do a check on the weather bug and see what the heat index is because it feels almost like it did when it was 96.The heat itself is just something else. I want to share something with our listeners, something that you mentioned to me, Alan, and I don’t want to forget to say this because I think it could be very helpful for many of us this coming winter. Folks, I was talking to Alan – I’m heating with natural gas here now that Chuck is gone and not using the firewood and gas, the prices are just terrible. If they keep raising them I don’t know what’s going—well, I do understand it’s part of rural cleansing because those of us who live out in the country we have these what the heck do they call them Alan where its supposed to be all the people are involved. Alan: They want us into the habitat areas. Jackie: What I’m talking about is that the gas company itself. I forget what it is. When I lived Carlinville, Illinois, it was the same thing and the electric prices there were just absolutely terrible. Anyway, folks, not this past winter but the winter before I kept my thermostat at 60. Sometimes I got brave and put it down to 59 and I was wearing several layers of clothing in order to even have a modicum of – I was comfortable although my hands and my nose and stuff was cold but I literally was wearing three layers of clothing and last winter I kept my thermostat at 62 and on account of that my heating bill went $100 a month. When I called to ask them about it she said well you’ve used 10 more decagons this year than you did last year at the same time. I said oh I see. Last year I was wearing three layers of clothing to keep warm and this year I’m wearing only two. Well, what Alan suggested when I mentioned to Alan how come like in the spring, in the fall if it’s 60 degrees and you put on a pair of sweats and a flannel shirt or a sweat shirt you’re very, very comfortable and yet I was freezing at 60 degrees in my home in the winter time and I asked Alan why that would be. The one thing that Alan mentioned is that because it is so dry, the cold is a dry cold and he said that if we put a humidifier in the house and add humidity to atmosphere within then the 60 degrees would be probably the same thing. Alan: Yes, it certainly helps absolutely. Jackie: Well nothing else makes any sense. Sixty degrees is 60 degrees and yet at 60 degrees in the winter time, my God you’re freezing. Alan: I know. If you put humidity into the air, it’s completely different from dry warm air and lasts longer too, by the way. It keeps your heating bills down. Jackie: Well I guess it would. Alan: It actually holds the heat, you see, the moisture, and your furnace will kick on less. Jackie: Well I heat with baseboard hot water heat, which is wonderful, I love it. I had that in Illinois also and it is a wonderful heat and you don’t have the forced air blowing in and it is a comfortable warmth, but I know that it has to be what you’re saying because nothing else makes any sense. Alan: Yes and if you get static shocks in the winter time in your house, that’s a sign it’s too dry. Jackie: Yes, well I don’t recall getting static shocks for whatever reason but it has to be that because we’ve had even in the early summer and of course in the spring we had a lot of days that were 60 and 58 and et cetera. I only wore a pair of sweats and a flannel shirt and I was very, very comfortable, Alan, and I thank you for that and I wanted to tell our listeners this because it might slip my mind when winter comes to tell them this, so you keep this in mind, folks. Alan: There’s no doubt that energy is going to be the big thing. We’re going into a crisis point of crisis creation and that’s why the gasoline is so high. They’re modifying the weather like crazy. There’s no doubt about it. It’s the Wizard of Oz with his advanced science that’s doing this. Jackie: Remember I told you I heard on the Weather Channel that day that it had been really unseasonably cold and then it started nice and warming up and she says well we’re keeping the temperatures up there for you guys to give you a break this weekend; and I thought, you know what, they’re really doing it. Alan: They are doing it. Jackie: I mean I don’t know if these weather people – do you think they know about this? Alan: I’m sure they do because I mean even NASA had to put out some kind of cover story to explain the satellite photographs of the Earth, especially North America which was just almost a fog of they called them contrails from the aircraft; of course it’s chemical. We know it’s chemicals. Many people have tested this. Jackie: They said also that it was commercial aircraft, didn’t they? Alan: Yes and let’s be honest. I mean commercial aircraft didn’t suddenly – in fact there’s less commercial aircraft than there was last year. Jackie: Well are they going to make X’s in the sky with underlines and pretty sun rays? Alan: They’ll probably play games with the O and the X and the straight lines. They’re playing games, plus the HAARP can be picked up on the shortwave; if you scan the shortwave, you’ll pick up the frequencies. Jackie: I just lost some volume on you. Oh, there we are. Say that again. Alan: You’ll find on the shortwave if you scan it, you’ll find where the HAARP frequencies are if you scan during the day or in the evening and sometimes early in the morning around 9000 kilohertz you’ll find the HAARP and it makes a wow-wow- wow sound constant. Then around noon time, it’s just before the same station that WWCR is on, it’s just a little bit before– Jackie: 12.160? Alan: It’s just before there around 12,000 you’ll find it and then in the evening it changes just before 5070 and generally it will stay on that all night until the early morning. Jackie: What will it be, at about 6000 or what? Alan: You just scan from about 5000 onwards until you come across it before the first commercial station. Jackie: And how do you know that’s HAARP, Alan? Alan: It wasn’t there a couple of years ago. They were testing it once in a while, but about a year and a half ago or so they started to use it full time. It doesn’t sound like anything else on the shortwave. It’s a pulsation, a very strong signal and it’s a pulsing sound it makes and of course HAARP have – they have declared – they always legally tell you in a sense what they’re doing, even if it’s a brief quip somewhere, but they did say that they had stepped up their generating power and even the Alaskan one; and remember there’s 56 or more of these HAARP facilities across the planet. Jackie: And there’s acres and acres of transmitters, towers. Alan: Yes. They can actually link them up in different countries and bounce them off the ionosphere and then bring them down on any target they want to – hold on a second. Jackie: Is that Max? Alan: Saw some rabbits. Wow, it’s a little cat. I don’t know where that came from. That’s new. Jackie: In the house? Alan: No, outside, but it’s coming up this way. I don’t know where that came from. Anyway, the HAARP is playing full time and of course they’re spraying as well like crazy. Even when the storms are going on you see them laying these lines you know. They never stop. Jackie: You mean when we’re having thunderstorms? Alan: Yes. You’ll see it before. In fact, I’ve got used to telling when there’s going to be a thunderstorm because there’s a different kind of spray they lay out. They lay it on very, very thickly and it turns into that almost like looking through a polythene sheet across the sky and that’s the polymers, which is a form of plastic molecule that they are spraying, and it’s quite something to see. Jackie: Besides the metals. Alan: The metals come down too. Jackie: You know it occurs to me that occasionally we do have new listeners I think and we’re sitting here talking as though everybody knows exactly what we’re talking about. Just briefly, explain what the HAARP project is. Alan: This is Auroral Research Program, the High Altitude one which is supposed to – it first came out in the Baltic Region when the Soviet Union was using one in Riga. They built the first one we know of. Jackie: Is that the one called the woodpecker? Alan: That’s right. Basically, all the ham radio enthusiastics were coming off the band. They couldn’t even pick up certain bands because they were blocked out by the woodpecker and it was like a tap, tap, tapping sound at that time, very fast though, and so eventually they targeted it. They could actually diagnose where it was coming from and the Russians admitted they were using this type of powerful ‘standing wave’ as they called it which they bounced up into the ionosphere and then it was targeted down on North America. It was invented by Tesla apparently in the early 1900’s and Tesla himself said that he was stopping experimentation of it because it superheated the atmosphere. It caused a standing wave which could be many, many miles wide and around the standing wave, where nothing really moves, just hot air, they’ll have storms and floods even like a vortex around it. Like a tunnel and he said this could superheat the atmosphere so much that the atmosphere could ignite and yet here they are building these things all over the place and actually using them and targeting North America. Jackie: You know on the video that was made called “Are There Holes in Heaven,” Dr. Nick Begich is on it. There’s also a physicist and what she was explaining she said that the ionosphere is sort of like a bubble or a balloon – a bubble around the earth and she said when they send this very concentrated beam of energy into the ionosphere and the earth is rotating, she said they don’t know but it could literally slash holes right into the ionosphere and totally destroy the ionosphere. Alan: That’s right. Jackie: And her fear, her concern was that they know not what they do and they can be causing irreparable damage to this planet and its atmosphere and outer. Alan: As I say, they definitely have advanced science. I think it’s actually more advanced than the public are even aware of, or being told of, and I’m sure they know exactly what temperatures to create. They do admit – in fact they signed a treaty not to use this weather modification and HAARP technology. They signed a treaty at the UN back in the 1970’s and on that treaty they said they will not use it against other countries, so that means they’re open to use it on their own people. Jackie: Yes. It doesn’t say anything about within. It prohibits the hostile use of the technology that can cause hurricanes, title waves, earthquakes, like the tsunami that hit. Alan: That’s right, so they can do that. They can cause drought and they can cause flooding. Jackie: I think that was 1972 or ’74. And folks, think about this. The technology, it didn’t say in this ENMOD treaty that the United Nations did, it didn’t say that it prohibits the research or the development. It says prohibits the use of weather modification techniques, hostile use, and already back then they were admitting that they can cause earthquakes. They can cause floods, hurricanes, all kinds of damaging weather and earth upheavals. Alan: If you look at Alberta where they grow such much of the corn and wheat and so on, for the last four years they had a drought – in fact they had a plague of locusts– Jackie: I think that’s what – isn’t that what a grasshopper is? Alan: It was grasshoppers last year, yes, and so most of the farmers have been going under one by one, and this year when Ontario – typically you have a standing wave and nothing moves. The air didn’t even move here in Ontario. No rain up until about yesterday. Alberta was getting flooded for the last two months or so, complete flooding every day, and whole towns were being upset by this thing. Jackie: And that’s the big agricultural area. Alan: Yes, so they’ve been put under and Chile apparently is being built up for the NAFTA for joining NAFTA, and Monsanto and Archer Daniel Midland have been using our tax money through the NAFTA grants to build up the huge agricultural business in Chile. It’s interesting as we’re getting put under and our farmers are being put under, here’s the big boys and the commercial farms ready to go with all their produce that we have paid for basically. Jackie: Genetically modified produce? Alan: Yes, and that will start to supply North America when there is no farming here. Everything is preplanned. Everything that happens in this system is preplanned. Jackie: It’s difficult for some people to grasp, even though I believe that within them they know it. It’s just so difficult to accept, to climb out of. Well, you called it free falling. Like free falling, like jumping out of an airplane without a parachute. If you want the truth we have to be willing to let go of all of everything that we thought we knew and begin anew so to speak, and the one thing that I’m clear about is that I know we’re much, much closer to the truth than I know for myself than I have ever been and it has become real clear to me unless I was there, I still don’t absolutely know. I mean I know that there is truth except that – for example, Alan, I received an email. I don’t know if this appeared on the news or not. Thirty-two little Iraqi children were killed by a car bomb and I would imagine if it was on the news they said that it was – you know, what do they call them? Anyway, there was a report done by a Palestinian, I don’t know if it was a radio or newspaper or whatever. There are actual photographs that they showed the U.S. soldiers handing down candy to Iraqi children and what they did, according to this report, they lured the children into the street into the area and they said that there was a vehicle there that they were afraid had an explosive attached to it and they wanted to keep the children away from it. Well, then they finally told the people it’s okay, there was nothing wrong with the vehicle. So they had all those children in that area giving them candy and Pokemon toys and then they took off like a bat out of hell and the car exploded and they said it wasn’t TNT because it left a crater in the street. It killed 32 little Iraqi children and wounded 10 others that were in the area and I sent it over to Darrin to put onto our website and I realized truly we don’t know if even that is the truth. It looks – the pictures. They had the photographs of the soldiers handing down the candy and they had photographs of adults just sobbing with blood all over their faces and their hands at the children’s death; and yet what I put before it is: if this is the truth, then the American boys and girls/men and women have become the new world barbarians. Thirty-two little children exploded for what? Alan: There’s so little you can take for – well, you can’t take anything on the news today for granted. Jackie: See, this wasn’t on the news. That’s the point. This came from a Palestinian or Arab newspaper and whoever put it online translated parts of it for the English- speaking people and just highlighted certain aspects of it. But that’s what I’m saying and to me the pictures gave evidence but it occurred to me that the pictures could be pictures of anything. Alan: We’re in a time as I say of chaos because it’s manufactured chaos and to bring in a new age, which this is, they always create a chaos. That’s why your gas is going through the ceiling, the price of gasoline. All energy is going through the roof. They’re modifying the weather to create weather chaos and blame the public for driving and causing it, and the public believe what they see on the news. They think they’re causing the smog, but they never look at the sky and see the stuff being sprayed right above their heads. Jackie: You know probably it was back in 1992 when I first became awake and became involved. I read – actually it was an article about ethanol and how easy it is to make it. There were actually instructions on how to make ethanol and run your car on it and in this article it said that the Rothschild’s were buying up at that time hundreds of thousands of acres of land in Brazil to grow the corn so that when they go to ethanol they will be still the suppliers of our fuel and they’ll probably make it illegal to make your own ethanol. Alan: Yes, they will. You won’t be allowed to distill anything at all. They already have those laws in place because any spirits you distill yourself they crack down on. Jackie: I thought about that, but it’s like alcohol, yes?So the revenuers will come in and crash up your tanks? Alan: Yes. There was a fellow who was telling people in Canada a couple of years ago I think online and it was on the regular news. He was telling people how to make their own and how to build the still to make it and the government did crack down on it and arrested him. Jackie: Well, you have to have a license to do that. Alan: That’s right. You cannot share power. I mean that’s how you keep power. You don’t share it. Jackie: Yes, the definition I remember reading this of a license is giving you permission to do something that would otherwise be illegal. We’re at the half hour here, ladies and gentlemen, and once again I’m sorry for our late start tonight and I’m very grateful for Alan for coming on with us because I certainly wasn’t prepared with information to present to you tonight. All right, we’re back with Alan Watt. I stayed in the house today, Alan. I took a break and I spent about 50 hours last week in that garden, and boy, did I ever wear myself out, so I’ve been inside the last two days. Well, it rained yesterday and I’ve just been inside trying to take care of some things in here and I’ve been spending some time on the book. Alan: I put back that bunch that was printed up and were destroyed at the printers. Jackie: Oh good. Alan: I’ve got another set made up there.