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    Jackie: And sunk the Maine.
    Alan: Yeah. And meanwhile, everybody is fighting everybody else over religion, or the race issue,
    and all the other stuff that they know so well. They’re old tunes they can keep playing over and
    over. And everyone has been programmed to dance to these tunes when it plays, and they do. And they
    can’t see beyond it all. And this is the time now when you must see beyond it all, if there’s going
    to be any survival for anybody at all. Because we’re going through it.

    Jackie: What about people, well, look at even with yourself, Alan, as you were talking about last
    night. You’re not sure you’re even going to be able to survive the winter.
    Alan: That’s right.
    Jackie: And there are people, so you’re not in the city. But, of course, they’re making it nearly
    impossible for people to live in the country, because of the increase in gas.
    Alan: And taxes.

    Jackie: To get you to the store. The property taxes are increasing. Alan: Environmental laws.
    Jackie: Well, yes. And it goes on and on. And then we have people who are in the cities and do not
    have the means to leave the cities, as much as they would desire and want to do it. So, you know,
    it comes back down to making the time, to be like parents with their families,
    Alan. With their families. They have to work. They have to work to be able to pay the bills. But,
    instead, maybe, of parents sloughing the children off to a babysitter, so they can
    go. Maybe the most important thing that people can do today is to be together, and really, just
    cherish the time, every precious moment, and give to your children, not $80 tennis shoes and trips
    to Six Flags and Disney World, because that isn’t really what children want anyway, Alan.

    Alan: No, that’s what the system wants.

    Jackie: That isn’t what they want at all. They want their parents to look at them and see them.
    They want their parents to hear them when they talk. Not just listen, but really hear them.

    Alan: Well, what they need is direction. And children who don’t get direction from their parents
    will take it as they did in the Communist system, in the Young Communist movement. They’ll take it
    from the leaders. The Hitler Youth were the same, because children need direction. And if they
    can’t get it from their parents, the state or the system will give it to them instead. That’s
    traditional. That’s been used for thousands of years. Again, it’s another tune, and they know how
    to play it, and we know how to dance.

    Jackie: Well, you mentioned Bertrand Russell. And I’ve done this before, but I’ll do it
    again. The statement that he made, he was a, maybe still is, I don’t know, but at this time a
    UNESCO advisor. He said, “it may be hoped that in time anybody will be able to persuade

    anybody of anything, if he can catch the patient young, and is provided by the state with money and
    equipment.”

    Alan: Well, the two main books, and anybody who wants them and can read it all today, apart from a
    glowing tube in front of their face, they can order them. And it’s Roads to Freedom, is the one
    book, that gives you the global agenda with adults and children, and Education and the Good Life,
    is the one about the whole education program that they have used right up until the present time.
    And that’s got it all in there. All of it.

    Jackie: Well, there’s one more sentence here that I want to do, for our listeners. He said, when
    the technique has been perfected, every government that has been in control of education for a
    generation will be able to control its subjects securely without the need of armies or policemen.

    Alan: Yeah, once you all have a brain chip, there’s no problem. I mean, that’s what the function of
    all this is.

    Jackie: Roads to Freedom and Education and the Good Life.

    Alan: Yeah, the whole scientific technique. He put out another book, it was on science, basically,
    and he laid the whole thing down, to do with scientific techniques, including the same stuff as
    Aldous Huxley was on about, the brain chip and so on, and how they could use all this to control
    everybody. And once that happened, the people had no individuality in them, then they’d have their
    utopia. But they, the elite themselves, would not change themselves. That’s what they said, because
    they must retain their survival capabilities, but the public won’t need them anymore, since the
    state will be making all their decisions for them.

    Jackie: What do you say to a person who calls you and says, I’m not sure what to do, I’m beginning
    to see the light and it’s very frightening. What do you say to them, Alan?

    Alan: It depends who they are.

    Jackie: Well, okay. What would you say to me?

    Alan: Again, it’s not something you sum up in a couple of minutes. You go through the whole person.
    You’ve got to get the persona and the person. You’ve got to break down all the different parts of
    that person, and then give a response that’s suitable to that individual person. You can’t give
    the same talk to every individual. You must tailor-make truth to jump over the hurdles that
    that person has in their particular individual mind. And everyone has a different response to
    things, and they have different hurdles or walls in their mind, so you must literally tailor-make
    it for the individual, so that they can jump those walls themselves. And it must be done by
    themselves. You can show them how, but it must be done by them. That’s why it takes a lot of work
    for every single one. But I should mention the three books before we go off the air. They’re called
    Cutting Through 1, 2, & 3. And I go through the ancient Freemasonry system, prior to the guild
    movements of the Middle Ages, and right up to the present day. I give you a lot of the Masonic
    coding that’s used. It’s all through your language;
    in fact they created your language for you. And the third one goes through the history of this, as
    well as the history of the money system which they brought in thousands of years ago, and how they
    used it to implement their system, which they call civilization. That’s what they mean by
    it. It’s their system. And how they control nations one by one, through takeovers, financial or

    through using warfare. [See ordering information on transcript.] But that’s what I’m
    saying. You can’t just give a pat answer for a mass of people, because everyone has their own
    particular walls and variations of them, in their mind. And you have to literally go through dozens
    of them with each one. And you must be able to see into that person, in order to do
    so. And that takes a lot of work.

    Jackie: And you’ve done that with people?

    Alan: Yes, and as I say, it’s a lot of work. And it can take years sometimes, on a one to one basis
    with many, many different people, but individually, one on one, to get them right up and out of it.

    Jackie: And then what happens when they get out of it, Alan?

    Alan: Then it’s a whole new journey from there on. And again, you don’t hand that truth to
    everybody either. You just don’t hand out truth. Most people can’t handle the truth. Some things
    are very, very, very precious. And most people are so stuck in what they want themselves that they
    can’t handle the truth. And that’s what they mean, they trample it underfoot, because they don’t
    see it for what it is. So you don’t hand it to them until they’re ready for it.

    Jackie: Well, we’ve sure been doing enough of it.

    Alan: We’ve done an awful lot. More so, I’d say, than any other program. And we certainly don’t do
    it as a business. That’s for sure.

    Jackie: That’s for sure. And folks, we’re out of our week.

    Jackie Patru: Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for joining us tonight on Sweet
    Liberty. Tonight is Monday, and it is the 15th of August, in the year 2005. And I’m glad that
    you’re with us tonight. I hope you had a lovely weekend, ladies and gentlemen. Actually, it’s more
    than a weekend now, isn’t it? You get, I get, we get, from Thursday until Monday, or we have until
    from Thursday until Monday. So, three nights a week, and it is a possibility that we’re going to be
    cutting back to two nights a week. I don’t know if, I don’t know if it is for the broadcast.

    [Technical difficulties at radio station]

    I’ll tell you what. For our internet listeners, if you would just begin, and I can take another
    phone line, and call WWCR and see what’s up.

    Alan: Oh, okay.

    Jackie: Okay, thank you. This is Alan Watt, folks.

    Alan: Yep, once again, we’ve got a mix up at the shortwave station, where they’re playing another
    broadcaster’s tape. We don’t know why, maybe it’s God intervening, who knows, because that’s what
    he goes on about is Old Jehovah and how the British are really the Jews, you see. But what I should
    say, to start off today, is that I have three books for sale, because I’m filling in for Jackie,
    while she straightens out the short wave station. And these books go through Freemasonry, from
    ancient times, not just from the usual guilds they talk about in the Middle Ages, because the
    secret brotherhoods have been here as long as money has been here, in all of its different forms.
    And I also go through how the money boys took over even the ancient world, and how they created
    nations, and had wars going on between them, while they profited from loaning to all the countries,
    which they’d helped to create, and they sold them all the weaponry, too. No different from today.
    And how they benefited from keeping the people in debt, which ensured that they kept running the
    system. No different at all from today. [See ordering information on transcript.] And I’ll get them
    out to you as soon as I can.

    Now, I don’t know what’s happening with the short wave station, but that’s the second time that
    Pastor Pete, with his British Israel, has been on, when we should be on. And I think, yeah, he’s
    still on the shortwave. So I guess there’s a debate going on whether they should flick the switch
    or not, but we’ll find out pretty soon.

    Jackie: Nicholas, if you’re available, would you please come on the line. I had a call from one of
    our listeners. I gave her four numbers that I have, to call, to possibly get a hold of somebody at
    WWCR. But if Nicholas, if you’re listening, if you would please come on the line with us, if you
    would please get a hold of them, and let them know that they’re doing it again. Alan, my,
    my. Well, we do have internet listeners right now, so we’re not going to act like we’re not on the
    air at all. But this appears to me to be intentional.

    Alan: Well, Pastor Peters last week boasted that he now has 400 hours with WWCR, so I guess the
    muscle has been put into motion.

    Jackie: The muscle has been put into motion. I just want you to know that I don’t know how it is
    for our listeners, but your volume is down so low I can barely hear you. I can hear you, but I can
    barely hear you.

    Alan: Yeah, you’re down. You’re down too.

    Jackie: Am I? Okay. Nicholas, WFAR, Nicholas, if you’re there, will you please come on the line
    here and let me know if you can get a hold of WWCR. One of our listeners called in, as I told you,
    and she’s trying the numbers that I would have been trying, Alan.

    [Technical difficulties at radio station]

    Jackie: Well, there we are folks. Well, now we just talked to an engineer at WWCR, and what he’s
    saying is, is that the satellite feed that they’re getting is really great. So I’m hoping that you
    can hear us tonight, ladies and gentlemen. What I’m going to do, and I will do this tomorrow night,
    is have a number for you to call. If you’re listening on shortwave, and the program before you is
    good, and the one after you is good, and this one is not, it would be time for you to call WWCR and
    see if you can find out what the problem is, because what we’ve discovered is that sometimes people
    go, if you have a shortwave radio that can go from 5.070 up to 072, 073, 074, sometimes, they catch
    it clearly almost at 5.075 or below. But if you’re not getting it in good, then tune it down or
    tune it up, so that you can hear it. Because, what’s happening folks, according to the letters that
    I get from our listeners, you can hear us. And I understand, if you can’t hear the broadcast. Those
    of you who have hung in here, through thick and thin, you’re to be so deeply commended, that you’re
    still here, because it’s a wonder, it’s a miracle that we haven’t lost all of our listeners. Alan,
    Alan Watt is with us tonight. And Melody said that your volume is very low.

    Alan: So is yours. When you’re on the phone here with me, I can hardly hear you at all.

    Jackie: Yeah, well, evidently, the volume was low coming into WWCR, and I don’t know how it is. If
    Eleanor is listening, Eleanor White. Eleanor is a, she monitors for us, and lets us know, because
    sometimes when your volume is low to me, in my headset, Eleanor calls in, and says, don’t worry
    about it, Alan is coming in loud and clear. But Melody said tonight, from WFAR that your volume was
    low. (Phone rings) Oh, here we go. Hi, you’re on the air. Thanks for calling.

    Caller: Hey, I can hear you, and Alan sounds real good. Jackie: Oh, thanks, Mel.
    Caller: Okay, alright. Jackie: Okay, bye, honey.
    Alan: Now, we can’t hear each other.

    Jackie: Yeah, we can’t hear each other, but they can hear us.

    Alan: But I know on the shortwave, there’s over-modulation there, because your voice is muffled on
    the shortwave.

    Jackie: Right now? My voice is muffled?

    Alan: Yeah, it’s not as clear as it should be. In fact, I tuned up to 5074, and it was clearer
    there.

    Jackie: At 5074. Well, then, we would ask Jason, I guess, who is our engineer tonight, to please
    make a check, Jason, and if we’re over-modulating here, do what needs to be done. Because I’m not
    over-modulating, Alan. If they’re getting it crisp and clear from the satellite, which is where
    we’re broadcasting from, if the shortwave is over-modulated, once again, it’s coming from WWCR.

    Alan: Well, that’s that old Wicker Man up to his tricks. [Technical difficulties at radio station]
    Alan: I can hear you now, you’re clear on my phone.

    Jackie: Okay, well, that’s good. Thank you, whoever is responsible. Alan: That’s because I said we
    should join the British Israel Movement. Jackie: The British Israel Movement. That would probably
    be our…
    Alan: Then God’s on our side, you see.

    Jackie: That would, oh, then God’s on our side. Yahweh is on our side. Alan: The big boss.
    Jackie: You know what, okay, what I was going to say, when we came on the air tonight, is that it
    has become more than that you’re a guest on this broadcast. It’s as though you’ve become a co-host
    here, Alan. And, folks, the reason, well, it’s not that I have to give a reason, but I ask Alan to
    come on. We get into conversations. And for those of you, and I know there are many of you who so
    appreciate the information that we have received from Alan and the broadcasts that Alan and I have
    done together, because my questions, evidently, are important to you, which is what I get from my
    correspondence from you, that our interchange has been very much of an opening for many of you. And
    so, therefore, Alan is with us again, tonight. And I appreciate it very much. And Alan, thank you
    for being here.

    Alan: It’s a pleasure, when we can be heard.

    Jackie: When we can be heard. When I can hear you.

    Alan: Maybe it’s a gimmick to make people listen more intently.

    Jackie: Well, I’ll tell you what. I want to say again what I said at the beginning of the
    broadcast. Well, you see, our sponsorship has dropped off. However, I know that our
    listenership has dropped off. Because, even the people who send donations for sponsoring the
    broadcast tell me the frustration that they experience. I was talking to a gentleman from Michigan,
    recently. He said he was outside working, I think working on his boat or
    something. He had the broadcast on prior to Sweet Liberty. He said it was crystal clear. And then,
    Sweet Liberty came on, and there was very little of it that he could pick up, and right after Sweet
    Liberty it cleared up again. And the best suggestion that I had for him, was to call WWCR, because,
    I’ve tried. And I get angry response from management. I’ve had the phone hung up on my ear. In
    fact, one time the phone was hung up, I called back, because I thought it was rude, so rude.
    Sometimes I just ignore it, but I wanted to speak with him, and then I was told that he was taking
    a walk. And the person that I talked to, I said, I just had the phone hung up on me, and I would
    like to finish this conversation. And, Alan, what I’m told is this. If you don’t like it, if you
    think that we are sabotaging the broadcast, go someplace else.

    Alan: Well that’s a Christian message. Jackie: It’s a Christian message, yes.
    Alan: Well, sure. I mean, it’s a business. And all media is propaganda, I don’t care who runs
    it. Because an all-seeing eye did not miss a hole in its net, you know, and it never did. And the
    CIA started up the shortwave back in the 50s, using Christian radio, and I doubt they’ve ever let
    it go, especially nowadays, because they need it. They need the confusion, to keep this age of
    chaos running along, you know. Now, of course, they have their superstars, because the public have
    been trained to look for superstars, like the general television, your Doctor Phil or Oprah, or
    whatever, and Albert Pike said we always give the people their leaders, so they must present
    superstars, who are professional talkers. And of course, they have staff there to help them with
    their spiel, as they say. And of course, it’s a Wizard of Oz type thing, where, behind the curtain,
    there’s a little guy making all this noise. But behind the little guy, you’ve got a whole staff of
    people punching up things on his screens, where he sounds terribly informed.

    Jackie: You know what? This is, I think, in fact, I know what I wanted us to discuss tonight, but,
    because you explained it, you explained it more in depth to me, because when you first mentioned
    it, I didn’t get what you were saying, but you went through the process. Would you do that, Alan?
    For example, you know, we don’t have to name names, but, let’s say a broadcaster, when people call
    in, no matter what they’re talking about, the broadcaster seems to have in-depth information about
    it, as they know everything about everything.

    Alan: Well, it’s history, because in every century, they give you heroes to follow. They always
    call them geniuses. And they give you ridiculous stories about them, be they composers or
    scientists or whatever. But they make up these.

    Jackie: Alan, can you hold just for one moment. We have a call coming in. Hello?

    Caller: Oh, hello. I just wanted to let you know that here in the upper peninsula of Michigan, I
    listen to you every time you’re on, and it is over-modulated or something, all the time.

    Jackie: All the time.

    Caller: Maybe one time was very clear.

    Jackie: Over-modulated, and it isn’t over-modulated coming in. Caller: It sounds like you’re
    talking in a pillowcase.
    Jackie: In other words, what, I want our listeners, if they can hear me, to hear this. Because we
    were told by Jason, the engineer, at WWCR, that the feed that they were getting from the satellite
    was very crisp and very clear. And so, what our shortwave listeners are getting, from the shortwave
    station, is over-modulation.

    Alan: You’re plus-forty here, that’s the end of the scale. Caller: And my shortwave is 5070.
    Jackie: Okay, thank you so much. Please don’t go away, honey, okay. Caller: Oh, no. I love your,
    whatever you’re talking about.
    Jackie: Thank you. Who are we talking to? Caller: Mary Jane in upper Michigan.
    Jackie: Do you know that I’m a Michigander? Yes? Caller: I do.
    Jackie: Oh. From Flint, Michigan.

    Caller: Oh, that’s way down there. I’m way up.

    Jackie: Yes. My summers were spent up at Bear Lake, near Grayling.

    Caller: Oh, okay. I’m way over up, Lake Superior, up in the upper peninsula, over Lake Michigan,
    over the Mackinaw straits.

    Jackie: Thanks for listening, honey. Thank you for calling. Bye-bye. Okay, Alan, now. You know, I’m
    not a, what do you call, technician, but it makes sense to me that if the satellite feed coming
    from WFAR is crisp and clear, and if the reception that our shortwave listeners are getting is
    over-modulation, it makes sense that it has to be coming from the shortwave transmitter.

    Alan: Well, yeah. Sure. And plus-forty, that’s the end of the scale. It’s right on the right-hand
    side. You can’t go any further with the signal strength. It’s over-modulated.

    Jackie: Oh, you’ve got. You’re monitoring it there? Alright, folks.

    Alan: That’s as high as it goes.

    Jackie: We’re going to be back. Alan, we’re at the half hour here. We’ll be back right after this.
    Folks, don’t go away. Alan, maybe they can hear you. If they can’t understand. Why would I be
    over-modulated and not you?

    (Commercial Break)

    Jackie: Alan is with us, Alan Watt, and from what I’m gathering, our listeners, Alan, would you
    explain once again what you said, why it is that you wouldn’t be over-modulated, but I am? And I
    want our listeners to know, by the way, that you and I are, what should I say, we’re both on the
    same phone line. Folks, Alan calls me. And then I conference us in together. So, he’s not calling
    from another phone. He’s not calling from a separate phone line into the station. And if it is
    coming in loud and clear from the satellite, it would follow that our shortwave listeners should be
    getting loud and clear from both Alan and I. And would you explain what you said, how that could
    happen, Alan?

    Alan: Yes. Every studio, whether it’s a radio or a music studio, has graphic equalizers. Jackie:
    And you were in the music industry or business.
    Alan: Yeah, years ago.

    Jackie: So, you know what you’re talking about.

    Alan: And when you want to phase out a particular tone, or a pitch, say, or bring it up, even, you
    can do either, just by adjusting the slides, and you have a whole battery of slides, sometimes 48
    of them, and you can literally phase out any instrument or vocal sound, or any singer in a choir,
    with a different voice. You can phase them in, or phase them out. And of course, male and female
    being different, it’s much easier to adjust that way.

    Jackie: So, let me ask you this. It doesn’t mean that there’s somebody sitting there working at
    these slides, but if they just get their frequencies or whatever tuned into my voice, they can
    literally obliterate it.

    Alan: Or, once again, boost it to such an extent that it would become muffled. They can boost it.
    They can actually bring it up, as well, and make it muffled. You know, any sound can be distorted
    by over-amplification or modulation. So you can do the same thing with a graphic equalizer. You can
    literally bring any sound up, as well as down, you can bring it up and over- modulate it, until
    it’s distorted.

    Jackie: So, let me ask you this. If I could talk higher or lower, would that foil the?

    Alan: No, because you’re still within a certain frequency range, as opposed to me. Mine would be
    different. I mean, I’ve seen it done with orchestras, where you can bring in a violin, just by
    sliding the switch, or you can phase it out, or you can bring up, say a trombone, even. So you can,
    there’s a whole range of spectrum with sound. So they also do that. They use similar

    equipment for spying on people at long ranges with boom microphones. And they can literally phase
    out the surrounding nose from cars and automobiles and buses and things.

    Jackie: I’ve seen that on movies a long time ago. Alan: Yeah. This is old technology.
    Jackie: We have a caller here. Hi, you’re on the air.

    Caller: Hi Jackie. This is Kate. I called WWCR and talked to Jason. And I said, are you trying to
    sabotage Jackie? And he said, oh, no, we wouldn’t do that. But, as I’ve been listening to you, week
    after week, you are very muffled. And I think Alan has a point there. And I don’t know what the
    reason is, other than Alan brought out another good point, that we have superstars on the
    shortwave, that to me have taken over, and I feel like I have no free speech.

    Jackie: And you have no free listening, Kate.

    Caller: No, but all of a sudden, we are religious? Is this the main theme of the shortwave, to lead
    you into the abyss of religious propaganda?

    Alan: That’s pretty well it.

    Caller: I resent that. There’s too many horrible things out there, that we should have freedom of
    speech. And I’ve noticed that on other programs, certain people are jammed constantly until the
    King comes on. So, I don’t know where we go from here.

    Jackie: Well, who is the king, honey?

    Caller: You don’t know who the king of shortwave is? We’ve got a king and queen. Jackie: Well, I
    don’t know who you’re talking about, would you tell me?
    Caller: Well, we have Miss Nightingale, right? Jackie: I don’t know who Miss Nightingale is.
    Caller: Florence Nightingale.
    Jackie: It’s okay, Kate. Until we’re off the air, we have freedom of speech here, so just say what
    you’re…

    Alan: Well, the listeners do.

    Caller: Well, you know, the continuation of Joyce Reilly….Pastor Stair, and Mr. Pete Peters. You
    see?

    Jackie: And they all come in very clear?

    Caller: Oh, yes.

    Jackie: Alright, thank you.

    Caller: If we can’t express what we feel, we the people, and we have to adhere to the kings, and
    especially Georgina, you know, Bush.

    Jackie: Thanks, Kate.

    Alan: Well that’s how it is. They know, you see, they’ve trained the public. And let’s be honest.
    Everybody has been brought up in an artificial system, and yet, we’ve taken it all for granted as
    being normal, simply because everyone else thinks it’s normal. But there’s nothing normal in it.
    It’s a designed system, scientifically designed, as Charles Galton Darwin said, in The Next Million
    Years, he said, we’re just creating a more sophisticated form of slavery. And they’ve trained the
    public since television was invented, to go for the superstars. You follow your stars, the
    wandering stars. They’ve used the same expression back in ancient Greece, when they brought in the
    traveling players that gave them their culture, and changed their culture, with the authority, of
    course, of the elite. And it hasn’t changed until today. So they bring out these people in every,
    every generation to lead the people around in circles and take over as the main voice, and say that
    they’re fighting the New World Order on their own, single
    handed, in between making movies and going to the gym and being on countless radio stations and
    television stations every day, I mean, “that’s a super-man, and I want to follow him,” you see,
    “and I couldn’t do that.”

    Jackie: I was looking at a bio of one of the kings that Kate was talking about. He’s been evidently
    mentioned in the Wall Street Journal. He’s been on CNBC or ABC, it’s what you’re saying, Alan, is
    when we see these people mentioned on mainstream.

    Alan: It makes it more legitimate in our minds.

    Jackie: We had better damn know that they’re part of the program.

    Alan: Well, of course, absolutely. That’s why they were thrust out in front for the people to
    follow. And they’ve done this over and over. They always give us the superstars, whether it’s Oprah
    Winfrey on regular media or Dr. Phil that tells us how to behave, or one on
    shortwave. It’s the same technique. It’s by the same people at the top. And, as I say, they always
    give you someone who’s been trained to do exactly what they’re doing, and I should also say, that
    the purpose of psychological warfare, which is counter-intelligence, by the
    way. Psychological warfare has an intent, and the intent is to overwhelm the public, or the enemy –
    and which the public, they are the enemy, you see – with so much negative, terrifying information,
    in a machine-gun fashion, or a shotgun fashion, they scatter it at you, until you can’t duck out of
    the way anymore. And when that’s all you see coming at you, all you do eventually is mentally
    collapse, because, what they’re telling you is, this system is so awesome and powerful, and King
    Kong is growing three miles a day above you, that there’s nothing you can do about it. And that’s
    the purpose of psychological warfare.

    Jackie: Alan, would you compare that, to what you just said, to what you and I have discussed on
    the air? Because sometimes…

    Alan: I’ll cut to the chase here. Jackie: Please do, please do.
    Alan: Because, what it is, the difference is, that you see, people go into shortwave looking for an
    alternate view on things, alternate information. And so they tune out the regular media. Now, when
    you start to get people reading the AP Wires, and what’s on the regular media, and even giving you
    more than you get on the regular media, they’re doing a better job than the regular media. So,
    rather than get away from it, they’re actually giving you more of it. It’s a day-by-day blow of
    what’s been done to you. And that’s its purpose. That is its technique. They read the AP Wires and
    Reuters stuff, and international stuff. And now, people obviously in the staff are pushing this up
    on his boards, so he can parrot it off.

    Jackie: You know what. You were talking about that, and we had to take our break. But you took me
    behind the scenes in a conversation that we had. And then I saw it. Would you continue what you
    were explaining. Explain this to our listeners. In other words, well, what I remembered you saying,
    is that somebody calls in, and they say, okay, what are you calling about, and the people say what
    they’re calling about. Or there’s a particular conversation going on, and there are people, a team,
    that do a search, bring up information, put it on the screen for the broadcaster, and that
    broadcaster….

    Alan: Sounds like a genius. He’s got all facts and figures. He can throw dates, names, times out at
    you. And of course, the person, the people who are listening say, “my God, I couldn’t keep up with
    all this. This guy is a genius.” And what we do, you see, if we think someone is a genius, is we
    put our own discernment to the side and we parrot them, we follow them. That’s how you create a
    leader, you see, behind the scenes. That’s how you do it. This is an old technique. And it’s being
    used today.

    Jackie: Isn’t Noel, you know, he’s very, because he’s got that different accent, but doesn’t he do
    kind of the same thing?

    Alan: Well, his whole business is selling gold and silver and so on. Now, from Rhodesia, who
    created Rhodesia? Cecil Rhodes created Rhodesia. And he was sent there by the Rothschilds, to take
    over the diamonds and the gold and silver of Africa. And who comes out of Rhodesia, amongst all the
    real, genuine people, who got thrown out of there, were the gold
    merchants. And here they are flogging the same stuff here, under the pretense that you’ll need this
    to survive. And I can tell you, if you have to try and trade gold, even today, in a hurry, go and
    try it, and see how fast you can sell your gold or silver. Because you’ll have a hard time doing
    it. It’s a con game. And their technique is always to throw all the fear at you, of what’s coming.
    I noticed too, there’s a doctor going all around the place, all the shortwave stations, giving this
    spiel about the coming avian flu. And after terrifying the listeners for half an hour, then they
    come out with the solution. And the solution is, the doctor has all these antidotes and herbs and
    stuff that you can take for it, so if you send to his company, he’ll send them to
    you. And they split the loot. That’s how the whole thing works. It’s fear-based techniques selling.
    You see, every ad is fear based. Every single ad. They couldn’t make a market outside of the
    shortwave fear-based radio, because the people are all asleep. So, what do you

    do? You make the market. You go where the market is, and people are terrified on shortwave because
    of the traditional hype, and they sell all the products they can’t sell anywhere
    else. That’s how it’s done. It’s like the back pages of magazines, you know, where they sell all
    this stuff about your balding hair and just splash this stuff on and it grows back, and you don’t
    need Viagra anymore, you know. It’s the same rubbish, that stays always hidden in the back pages of
    cheap magazines. It’s the same stuff that’s sold on the shortwave. It’s the same
    old. It’s all fear-based selling, and you’re listening to an hour of advertising, and you think
    it’s a show. You think it’s a show.

    Jackie: It is a show, Alan.

    Alan: Yeah. They think it’s informative.

    Jackie: It is a show. That’s why we don’t call Sweet Liberty a show.

    Alan: I mean, if I wanted to and I was a real crook, I could do the same as certain; yeah, Miss
    Nightingale is a good term. Mind you, old Flo Nightingale in the history books was labeled as a
    psychopath. The real Florence Nightingale was labeled as a hysterical psychopath, you
    know. Because she used to get hysterical blindness and have tantrums and seizures if she didn’t get
    her way.

    Jackie: And who was Florence Nightingale? Was she the nurse?

    Alan: No, she wasn’t a nurse. No. She was from an aristocratic family. Jackie: But who were we told
    she was?
    Alan: Oh, the lady with the lamp, you know, on the occasional visit round the hospitals, which they
    had to set up, because all these British were coming back from all these wars with no limbs. And
    they were dumped on the street where they died with infections and so on. So, it was a sort of
    cover, where the British government put out a pittance to set up field hospitals for the first
    time. Before that they didn’t bother because you could always recruit more
    peasants. But it was becoming so highly visible with the British Empire taking all the countries
    over, that there was a massive fallout dumped on the streets of Bristol and all the other ports
    where they were discarded. And there was no pension, either, for these soldiers, so they just lay
    there and rotted and died. So they brought up a few hospitals, stuck old Flo at the top of it, and
    made up a myth about her being so compassionate and all the rest of it, you know. That’s the
    reality. But getting back to what I’m saying. The one on the shortwave. If I wanted to be like
    that, and make a killing on money, I’ve got lots of clay around here. I’ve got lakes all over the
    place. And you could probably eat this clay as well, because they’re selling it on that show, you
    know. And this thing will literally, will literally cure you of every disease, you know. It will
    suck every toxin out of your body. It will grow your hair back. And men will get erections, and
    women will get back their monthly cycle. So, I mean, it’s just a wonderful thing. So, I could do
    all that rubbish if I was a con man, but I’m not, you see. I’m not. But that’s what feeds,
    unfortunately, the shortwave business.

    Jackie: Well, obviously, I’m not either, Alan.

    Alan: Yeah. It’s a business. Jackie: You should say, we’re not.
    Alan: I mean, what person, apart from psychopathic people, can take advantage of terror and fear,
    use it for their spiel before they go and sell you their stuff, after terrifying the life out of
    you? “Oh, but here’s the antidote.” But they do it every day. Every day. And because the public
    think they’re being informed a little bit, no you’re not, you’re being conned. You’re being conned
    all the time, over and over. And, you see, there’s so much money to be made in misery. That’s the
    health profession….

    Jackie: Misery and fear.

    Alan: Especially misery. Because people in pain, and I know what I’m talking about, because I’m in
    it. But they’ll generally spend their last penny, that they don’t even have, on some bag of grass
    or something that they chew, that’s supposed to have miracle cures, simply because the propaganda
    says so, you know. You’ll do anything to get rid of pain, and when traditional medicine fails you,
    yeah, you’ll go through all this massive array of shark cartilage and all the rest of the rubbish
    they sell out there. And there’s been millionaires made off the shortwave from selling all this
    stuff. And for five years they’ll try the shark cartilage, and then they’ll jump to the next thing,
    and then the next thing, and then the next thing, because every five years they’ve got a whole
    bunch of new listeners.

    Jackie: Yeah, you don’t hear anything about shark cartilage anymore.

    Alan: No. Well, you know the reason why they were flogging the shark cartilage for arthritis? Do
    you know the reason for it?

    Jackie: Because they found that sharks never got arthritis? Alan: Sharks don’t have skeletons.
    Jackie: No, but is that why they were saying it?

    Alan: They said they don’t get arthritis, because they don’t have any skeletons. They have no
    bones. They’re all cartilage. That’s why they don’t get arthritis, but they didn’t tell the public
    that. And they took millions from the suckers who fed into all this stuff.

    Jackie: Well, and to call them suckers. Alan: It’s suckers, because….
    Jackie: I know, Alan, but…

    Alan: And you have to admit when you’ve been one. If you don’t admit it, you’ll do it again with
    the next con that comes along. And there’s lots of them out there. There’s lots and lots and lots
    of these cons out there. And these people make a fortune. We’re a world of schmucks, you see.
    We’ve all been trained to be schmucks, and listen to the professional people. I’ve had two

    professions, and qualified in one, and that was medicine, and I walked out of it, when I saw the
    corruption in it. I would not do it. I will not do anything that’s corrupt. But if I was, you know,
    a man of the world, or joined the Freemasons, and they would say, well, look, you’ve got to take
    advantage of the profane, those that are unenlightened. Yeah, I could have done that, but it’s not
    my nature.

     

     

     

     

    Jackie: … I wanted to let our listeners know, Alan, I don’t know if you’ve been hearing this or
    not, but that Bush and Cheney and his gang have been indicted by a grand jury in Chicago. Well,
    that’s not the truth.

    Alan: No. I’m not surprised. All these rumors that go around all the time, it’s just distraction.

    Jackie: Right, well, this, I believe there is a grand jury sitting in Chicago, and it has something
    to do with Daly, the Mayor. But I’ve gotten two or three or four of them on the internet, and I
    received one today, and this woman said, this is a hoax. It isn’t true. Because she had called, and
    wanted to know when they were going to make the announcement, and they said, there has been no
    indictment, because there’s been no grand jury sitting for that purpose. And I got one just before
    we went on air, and evidently, one of the superstars interviewed, oh, I know who it was, Tom
    Flocko, today. And they said it was confirmed, that you could take it to the bank, basically, that
    this grand jury in Chicago had indicted Bush and Cheney and the gang. And so, I wanted our
    listeners to know, that the information I’ve got, is that that is not true. So, don’t take it to
    the bank, folks.

    Alan: There is no complaint department for any of this.

    Jackie: No, there isn’t. We were talking about that, yesterday, with the gas prices. Now, I got an
    email today, and evidently, there’s a group of truckers that are protesting the high gas prices. Of
    course, it will, any independent truckers that are left.

    Alan: Yes, there’s very few.

    Jackie: Will be, yes, will be going down the tubes on this one. And that was a comment that I made
    to you. I said, my God, everybody is complaining, but we complain to each
    other. Because, what do you do about it, who do you talk to? And like you said, in this system,
    there is no complaint department. You’ve got the corporations, that are controlling, and you’ve got
    bureaucrats that are not answerable to the public.

    Alan: Yes. And that’s what Carroll Quigley said, in Tragedy and Hope, that the new system would be
    basically a new feudal system, run by international corporations, with members jumping in and out
    of governments and back to the corporations. Which is exactly what we’ve had for many years. So,
    yeah, there’s no complaint department for the spraying in the skies, or for anything else that’s
    happened. There truly is no complaint department here.

    Jackie: Well, as far as those chemtrails, I’ve talked to several people, who when the planes are
    flying in their area, they’ll call the airport, or they’ll call if there’s a military base close
    by, an air force base, or whatever. And there the planes are, spreading their joy around the sky,
    and they’re just told, that according to our radars there’s no air traffic out there.

    Alan: Well, you’re seeing things. That’s it. They’re all told the same stories, and fob the public
    off with silly answers, because they can’t admit. See, they’ve gone too far now that they can’t
    trace back their steps. They’re into the killing phase. That’s what’s happening. And they can’t go
    back and say, yeah, we have been hitting you hard with this stuff, and it will increase the death
    rate. Definitely with the very young and the elderly, especially. That’s what generally happens,
    with anything foreign to the body. And so they can’t go back and tell the public that now, that
    they’ve gone too far. They’ve gone too far.

    Jackie: I was talking to my friend Mel, today, from North Carolina. And they had a storm there. He
    said, it was straight-line winds, that’s what they called them.

    Alan: Yes. There’s another term they used in Canada, when it started 3 years ago, and the announcer
    said the brand new phrase they were using. I can’t remember what it was. But he said, it’s a
    strange phenomena, that we have these straight winds cutting swathes right through forests in a
    straight line, and it was as though the loggers had been through. It literally is a straight line,
    going on for maybe half a mile and then just stops. And nothing in nature happens in a straight
    line, you see.

    Jackie: Well, this of course isn’t in nature, but now with saying that they had almost hurricane
    type winds, and it was one of those 20 minute, 30 minute ones. And he was telling me that the rain
    was actually coming sideways. Remember when we had those storms, I told you, and the wind was,
    okay, this was the day before yesterday, we had two of them. And they come right out of nowhere.
    Now, the Weather Channel is calling them pop-up storms. And your weather, your sun will be bright,
    and suddenly the cloud is, the sky is overcast, it’s cloudy, and there it comes. And I was in the
    family room, had the hallway windows open. I was a good, at least 8, maybe 10 feet, away from the
    windows, and when that rain hit, it was landing on me. And by the time I got the windows closed in
    that direction, I had water everyplace. And then by the time I got the windows closed, it was done.
    The sky, the sun came out, and about two hours later, we had another one, just like it.

    Alan: They’re using advanced science on the public, and of course, they never write about these
    sciences in the Popular Science magazines, or anything. And so, Joe Average will think, if you
    mention this stuff, well, that’s impossible, we don’t have the technology. But yeah, they do have
    the technology. The real technology is never given to the public. And whenever they write that
    they’re working on something, that’s old news, they’ve had it. It’s probably obsolete by now,
    really. That’s how they keep us in one reality, while they have the toys in another, you
    know. So they’re very, very advanced with the science. They’re also coupling HAARP with arrays of
    satellites and boosting the signal. And they can actually bring it right down on anywhere on the
    planet.

    Jackie: In other words, pinpoint it.

    Alan: Yes. It can be done to an individual or to a whole state.

    Jackie: I wanted to thank my new friend, Tim Thomas. He’s a radio broadcaster, in Cornell, a
    morning show. And Tim has offered, he’s got all the radio equipment, for me to give him a call, and
    Tim, if you’re listening, I will be calling, and thank you so much for your offer. Because, what he
    wants to do is some testing on my radio equipment, to see if there’s anything that can be done to
    tweak it or whatever; but meantime, he had mentioned in his email, that they had a tornado there.
    He’s around Corning area, and I read the newspaper article, and they were talking about the strange
    phenomena. And I think, if I’m not mistaken, they mentioned the rain coming in sideways.

    Alan: Yeah, I had that today, too.

    Jackie: That’s the way it’s coming in. It’s coming in sideways, Alan.

    Alan: I had that today, it was a sudden storm. It started very quickly, and I had to run and close
    the windows, and when I was, oh, twelve feet from them, the rain was hitting me. A very strong
    wind. And it only lasted maybe ten minutes, and the heavy downpour.

    Jackie: Just in time to get all the windows closed.

    Alan: That’s right. I think they’re trying to frustrate us all. That’s it. They are using all this
    technology. And they’re going through their long agenda, their planned agenda for an age of chaos,
    and it has to take in everything, everything that they can possibly manage and bring the chaos
    about.

    Jackie: You know, I remember, when I first started getting involved in waking up, getting
    politically involved at that time, back in 1992, late 1991, but it was probably about 1993 and I
    lived in Illinois at the time, and every time that I drove into Saint Louis, there was roadwork at
    this one particular place, and it went on forever. I mean, it just, month after month after month
    after month after month, and I mentioned it to Nicole, and she says, “Ma, I don’t understand
    what takes them so long. Why?” I said, “Nicole, actually it’s intentional, honey.” I said,
    “They’re doing it to frustrate people, in heavy traffic and drive time. Traffic is piled up for
    miles, even in non drive time, you’re a mile back, because of the road work there.” And she
    says, “Oh, get real.” Well, a few years ago, she said, “Mom, I believe you now. I believe you
    now.” Because, she said, that they’re constantly, you know, doing road work and blocking traffic,
    and closing lanes off, and they hang out in the same place for a long time. And folks, if this
    sounds, if you happen, to be a new listener, and this sounds out of this world to you, it’s because
    it is. And if you continue to listen, I believe that you will realize that what we’re saying is not
    paranoia, or right wing wacko, radical wacko, but it is exactly what it is for, to cause
    frustration and stress, and…

    Alan: It’s also to create – I mean, Sudbury is the nearest town to me, and since I’ve been here for
    the last almost three years come winter, there’s been one stretch of road that they’ve dug up and
    then re-surfaced, and dug up and re-surfaced, and they keep going every year with the same stretch,
    and what it is, Sudbury is very, very Masonic. The lodges, all kinds of lodges are everywhere, and
    what they do is dish out the tax money to the high guys who own all the construction companies.
    It’s a job creation scheme for high Masons. And it goes on and on and on. Just dig it up and fill
    it in, dig it up and fill it in. And the public are just used to it, you know. That’s how it goes.
    You know, that happens in every city too. And then they’ll dig it up, and say, oh we have to put
    another pipe underneath there, that we missed the last time. And then they pull out these brand new
    pipes and stack them all, they’re spanking new. They’re only a year old, and then they put another
    bunch in. And this con game goes on forever.

    Jackie: Probably fiber optics, though. I think they’ve been replacing. They started this a long
    time ago on the main highways.

    Alan: And along the railroad lines. I saw them doing it. They’re actually burying them alongside
    the railroad tracks. So, yeah, they are doing that. There’s a lot that goes on that the public are
    totally unaware of. But I was going to mention that there was a caller last night that talked about
    October. October is a very popular month for the ones who rule the planet, the money boys, and
    their minions of very high Masons, down to the humble low ones. And Red October, of course, was the
    Bolshevik Revolution in Russia. And Red is the color of the active principle, as they call it,
    the regenerative power, the flame, the fire.

    Jackie: Because it’s the color of blood?

    Alan: Blood and fire, you know. If you’re staring at a fire, in the middle of the yellow flame,
    you’ll find the Red, you know. So, Red is their color. It always has been. And Red October is
    extremely important to them, and this time of course, you have the Red Planet, in its closest
    conjunction for I think one and a half thousand years coming up, and they love these dates to cause
    some kind of mayhem. So, I wouldn’t be surprised if they do something in October.

    Jackie: Mars? Are we talking about Mars? Alan: Yeah, that’s the God of War.
    Jackie: The God of War. I haven’t been out to look, but I had read this, that you’ll be able to see
    it very, very clearly, and it will look very large. Is that going on right now, Alan?

    Alan: Not just yet, no, but apparently it will. It’s not going to be huge, but it’s going to be a
    lot brighter than it usually is.

    Jackie: And it’s closest to the Earth than it has been in thousands of years?

    Alan: I think one and a half, they said. So, they couldn’t miss an opportunity like that. Jackie:
    Wow, that’s why you have a hunch that something is going to pop in October. Alan: Yeah, they have
    all these dates, April 19 is another popular one.
    Jackie: Well, then there’s hallowed evening in October.

    Alan: Yes, and Ides of March, the Ides of September, which is September the eleventh. Jackie: We
    have to take a break here…
    (Commercial Break)

    Jackie: Alright, folks, we’re back on with you. I don’t know if we’re back on the shortwave or not,
    yet, and I don’t even know if you got my address or heard anything I said. Alan is going to tell
    you, how you can get his books. And so, Alan, I’ll be back, okay. You go right ahead.

    Alan: Yes, I have three books, it’s a series, really, called Cutting Through. And I just number
    them 1, 2, & 3. And I go through the ancient societies, right up to the present time, how they
    still run the world, of the profane, as they call the mass of the people, those in the darkness, in
    other words, and I go through a lot of Masonic coding, which isn’t mentioned in regular Masonic
    books, in the language itself. The English language was updated and created by them, really, in the
    1500s, and within the English language, they encoded a whole bunch of ciphers, which they
    themselves use all the time. And they use it in newspapers, and they speak it too, on the main
    news, and if you understand it, you get the other meanings that you’re being told, but it’s really
    meant for higher Masons, not for the guys below 33 degrees. And I also give you photographs of the
    rituals and things like that. I also tie it in to the money system, from the earliest of times,
    going back from the days of Sumer. And I know there were civilizations prior to Sumer that also
    used gold and silver; and they weighed it then, before coin came in, around 800 BC. So, I pack
    these things with information. And One and Two are written in a sort of Gestalt manner, because, as
    you read it, you’ll have to start thinking, your mind will do it automatically, and things will
    suddenly come clear to you, that before you simply glossed over. And you’ll wonder why on
    Earth you never saw all this before. Number Three is written more in a normal format, with the
    history of the banking tied in with the merchants of ancient times, and how they created wars and
    manipulated nations, and installed their own tyrants, who then began to tax the people. Taxation
    is very important to their rulership and it dominates the countries forever.

    So, these books are [see ordering information on transcript]. And I’ll get them out to you, as soon
    as I can.

    And you certainly will not only enjoy them, but it really will show you things that you should have
    seen all your life, but you’ve been blinded by the indoctrination of the system. And the history,
    again, is taken from ancient philosophers, who occasionally mentioned money, the secret societies,
    which they all belonged to. They admitted that back in ancient Greece, that they’d all gone to
    Egypt to study and join the societies of priests. Every single philosopher did that. And Plato,
    being from the aristocracy, also trained in Egypt, and then, he went to India, for another higher
    degree, and then to the so-called Holy Land for another higher degree, and then went back to his
    home town. So, this is a regular route that these guys took, and they seldom mention the money,
    just once in a while. Which is rather odd, since the whole money system ran the ancient world, just
    as it does today. It wasn’t food and carrots that ran the world, it was the money. And that is the
    artificial system in which we live. It would be very, very hard for them to build cities, where
    they can then create the artificial system of taxation, if you paid them in food; they wouldn’t be
    able to do it. And neither could they get a standing army together to go and conquer other
    countries, unless you get the city first, and then use the money, train soldiers and pay them, and
    that’s the beginnings of mayhem.

    We take these things for granted, simply because we’re born into a system where these things all
    exist. And Lenin himself, who was trained by the best bankers on the planet, wrote about it, and he
    said that the public must never realize that there is a thousand directions that humankind could
    go, and societies could go, but they must never know this. They must think that the one they’re
    born in must be natural, because it seemed to have evolved that way. That’s the
    trick. And of course, if your parents don’t know it was all fake – and since all mammals learn from
    their parents – if your parents don’t know and they can’t tell you, then you’ll fall into the same
    trap. You’re then trained, in school, to go out and run after this thing called money. They pour
    out movies, rags to riches movies, which condition us to believe that you just work hard and you
    get there.

    Jackie: Well, that’s the American Dream, Alan.

    Alan: It’s the American Dream. And of course, they’re all snoring, but that’s what the dream is
    for. It’s not reality. And you don’t get up into the upper ranks unless they open and bring you up.
    Not allow you up, but actually bring you up.

    Jackie: What I did, while I was gone. I wanted you to hear this. This is what Tim sent me about the
    tornado, and it’s Canisteo. I think I’m pronouncing it correctly. It’s around, somewhere around,
    Corning, NY, which is just above us. Reports of a tornado touched down, Friday afternoon, that
    would have been last Friday. It was about 2:30 according to Jim Brewster, Binghamton based
    meteorologist. Most of the damage was confined to wooded areas, and a cornfield, and then there was
    some damage, I’m not going to read this whole thing. They said the couple was sitting on their
    enclosed sun porch when the storm hit. They had a pole sheared, and it snapped a 60 foot tall pine
    tree, and embedded two pine trees into a camper. It was a tornado. But they were sitting on their
    enclosed sun porch when the storm hit, they saw the beginning of the wind damage, before deciding
    to move further inside their home. She said it started to rain. There was a little hail, and all of
    the sudden, there was a roaring wind. We saw the pine trees start to fold down, and headed inside
    for cover, because it was really severe. It was unbelievable, she said. The whole thing only took
    about 60 seconds before it was over. This is why I wanted you and our listeners to
    hear this. And then they talked about the damage to their property, and that the cows weren’t hurt.
    Okay, let me go down
    here. There was power outage. Okay, listen to this now. “The tornado was confirmed by the national
    weather service, Saturday, as an F1, meaning, winds range between 73 to 112 miles per hour.
    Brewster said the winds for the Canisteo tornado were likely between 75 and
    80.” And I think Mel told me that the winds that they had there in North Carolina with their storm,
    were around, they were close to hurricane force winds. But listen to this, Alan, “Brewster said,
    I saw enough evidence to confirm an F1 tornado. It appears as if it was a tightly wound, brief
    tornado, that was about a hundred to a hundred and fifty yards in width, and ran about a
    mile.” It basically ran right along state route 36, over Bush Hill, dropped down behind a
    residence. And see, Tim was right next door to the residence that got hit. It was pretty much
    confined in the area between Gravel Run Road and Rock Run Road. Stewart said, listen to this, “The
    damage to the corn field looked like crop circles. Which Brewster said looked very unusual. That
    was very unique, Brewster said. There was definitive damage in the storm track and then they
    had these other strange circular damages to the corn field.” This is the newspaper article. Crop
    circles. But you know what I thought about, we’ve talked about this before, I don’t
    know if we’ve talked about it on the air or not, but the fact that they can pinpoint. I think
    that’s probably what they’re doing, is practicing, their little mini tornadoes. So they could hit
    a particular property, and just take it out.

    Alan: They can do it.

    Jackie: I think so, because back about 19, I think it was ’98, it was in the summer. In fact, I was
    doing, no, yes, well, I was doing 6pm at the time. And so, it would have been that summer. The
    children were visiting, Jodie was here. And I was in the studio here, around 5 o’clock and Ashley
    came running in and said mama, come and help us, it’s raining and the rain is coming in every
    window. And I ran out of the room, and by then they had shut all the windows, but, now this is not
    a tornado. We’re up 1800 feet, okay, Alan. We always keep all the windows in the house open in the
    summertime. And it’s good that we did, because Jodie was in the kitchen, which is a wide entrance
    to the dining area, the dining room. And when I got out there, she said mom, you wouldn’t believe
    this, she said, that wind came in here, and you could actually feel it swirling around. She said it
    was just like a tornado was inside the house.