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    Alan: Yes. The U.S. according to the BBC and CBC in Canada is having a tough enough job just
    policing Iraq and they want to go into Iran, Syria and so on, so they must have trouble in all the
    other countries that are going to help them to motivate them to help them. That’s why you’re having
    all this trouble in London and so on. If you were

    a true terrorist you would sit back because Tony Blair and his cabinet were ready to get kicked out
    of parliament after all the inquiries which were out in the open and about all the lies that he
    told to get the public to go along with the war. He was on his way out and then the week following
    the bombing was scheduled to be mass demonstrations in the streets against the ID card and why
    would the terrorists go and help Tony Blair? Because off go the bombs, he’s back up on the
    podium again and “we’re here to protect you.” He’s in charge. He’s the man of the moment and out
    goes the ID. The public are getting it.

    Jackie: The real ID like we’ve got here?

    Alan: It’s the same company that’s manufacturing it for the world and it’s an active chip inside it
    and you must carry it at all times and it has your health on it and everything. Plus, it will be
    used they have said for your bank card as part of the cashless society. That’s out in the open over
    there, so they’ll monitor everyone’s transactions. This is total observation.

    Jackie: There’s a piece there titled “New Order of the Barbarians.” I’ve talked about it before.
    In fact, a long time ago I read most of it to our listeners and this insider Dr. Richard Day – this
    was back in the early or mid-60’s speaking to a group of pediatric physicians in Pittsburgh was
    telling how they were going to bring all of this about. It is absolutely amazing. Dr. Lawrence
    Dunegan who I believe just recently passed away was a pediatrician, one of the attendees and Dr.
    Day told them that several years ago he wouldn’t have been able to tell them what he was going to
    tell them that night. But he said everything is in place and nothing can stop us now. We are going
    to go in to the 21st century with a running start he said and this time we’re going to get it right
    and he goes into detail about what they’re going to do. That’s what sparked this thought in my
    mind, Alan, about the cashless society and how they’ll do it and how close a track they’ll be
    keeping and when you read this you will have no doubt that this was told by an insider. It wasn’t
    somebody who made it up. He even talked about the people who believed that they could run and hide.
    Maybe go out and live in the woods or something. He said we’ll burn the forests down and what the
    heck are they doing today, Alan?

    Alan: I know. The Ministry of Natural Resources had a documentary on with the Forestry Commission
    and it’s so interesting. I always laugh at the theories as they swap from a complete opposite
    theory and the opposite becomes the new norm and now the guy who use to fight the fires – the new
    theory is that they should set the fires. Of course, British Columbia had over 3,000 fires last
    year and a lot of people lost their homes in it and the ministry is now starting these supposed
    control burns, which have the habit of getting out of control. That is the new norm now. I noticed
    that none of the

    animal rights activists are even talking about this, which doesn’t surprise me, because think of
    all the animals that are getting killed and roasted in these fires.

    Jackie: And part of the insanity as I recall. This was quite a few years ago in California and some
    people were burning brush around their homes to make a firewall and these people were fined because
    there was some kind of a mouse that lived in that kind of brush. These people were actually fined
    for setting the fires that literally wound up protecting their home from the forest fires; and yet,
    like you said, they’re burning all these forests down and many animals with it and these
    animal-loving organizations aren’t saying a damn word.

    Alan: They’re willing fools and it’s only their leaders who know the real agenda, but the willing
    fools are just another class of sheep just like religious people. They do what their leaders tell
    them and that’s why they’re not protesting. Their leaders, just like the Soviet Union, the Soviet
    Union was run by NGOs, primarily women, and I’ve got that first-hand from a lot of people from the
    Soviet Union and they were all handpicked by the politburo all the leaders of these NGOs and it’s
    exactly the same here. The Rockefeller Foundation I know for a fact because one woman works for
    them and her job is to write checks to these NGOs. That’s all she does. Thousands of checks and the
    Rockefeller Foundation is backing most of them and along with that comes the Rockefeller policy. If
    you accept the money, accept the policy.

    Jackie: And the NGOs in one of the UN’s writing that I have, they’re talking about the UN becoming
    a true world parliament and that the only thing that was missing was the voice of the people and
    then basically what it came down to is that the NGOs are the voice of the people and to use an
    example of that the – oh, what the heck is it? The business. Gee, everybody joins it.

    Alan: Rotary club.

    Jackie: No. When you own a business. Oh shoot. I went through this the other day talking about this
    with somebody and the name escaped me. It’s local. Chambers of Commerce, Alan.It’s one of the
    oldest NGOs. It’s international and of course then it’s national and then of course it’s state and
    then it’s local and I was a member of the Chamber of Commerce for years when I owned my business,
    until I found out that they were promoting the NAFTA and I was beginning to wake up and I got out
    of it. But when you think about the millions of people who were members of the Chamber of Commerce
    and there’s the Chamber of Commerce at the international level speaking out for all of the UN
    programs. They take this. That all of the millions of people that are members of the Chamber of
    Commerce, the chamber is speaking for those people and that’s the parliament of the people are the

    We are out of our hour. Alan, thank you. You know what? I don’t know. Maybe you’ll come back
    tomorrow night. You know what entered my mind as you were talking was the hermaphrodite when you
    mentioned women and we had a conversation about that and I think it would be very interesting for
    our listeners and so maybe we could pick that up tomorrow night.

    Alan: Sure.

    Jackie: Okay, thanks. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for being here and God bless you and have a
    lovely evening, folks. Have a nice day tomorrow. Alan, thank you. Good night.

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    Jackie Patru: Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for joining us tonight on Sweet
    Liberty. It is Tuesday. It is the 26th of July, in the year, 2005. I hope you had a nice day,
    folks. It was up in the high 90s here today, and I don’t know, the humidity, it felt like about
    140%, but we had a storm this evening, but it seems to have cooled off and that’s a
    blessing. We talk about the weather a lot, don’t we? We just, well, it is the weather, whether we
    like it or not. Basically, that’s what it is. Because it’s being controlled and modified, and
    they’re causing, the controllers are causing a lot of problems for people, besides health problems,
    destroying the farms, and just probably having fun with their little game. Anyway, Alan is back
    with us tonight. We were, just before we went off the air last night, he had mentioned something
    that sparked a conversation that we had had. I thought it was very intriguing and I thought that
    you folks would like to hear what, we’ve talked about this before somewhat, that the Plan, if you
    would, the Ultimate Plan, according to what Alan says, is to actually recreate, literally recreate
    the physical human body, and simply have unisex, a unisex individual, a hermaphrodite. I guess
    that’s, I don’t know if you would call it unisex or what. Alan, what would you call it?

    Alan Watt: It’s the end product of supposedly the next Great Leap Forward, which is to create two
    in one.

    Jackie: Yeah, would you call that unisex?

    Alan: In a sense, in a sense it will be a true bisexual, you know.

    Jackie: A true one because it will have both female and male organs. We talked about that. Well,
    when we were talking the other night and you got talking about this, what they’re already capable
    of doing, can we kind of repeat that conversation?

    Alan: It’s the oddest thing, when you go back into ancient history, and Plato for instance talked
    about, now these are allegories for something to come rather than something that was. So he refers
    to the deity or the creator or the god that they secretly worshiped, the aristocracy of Greece and
    he refers to it as being both male and female, male in the front, and female behind. And it’s
    almost a joking way of putting it across that rather than walk, the thing actually sort of
    rolls or handstands and that’s how it moves, and the way that he continued this
    conversation was to say that eventually the deity separated the male from the female, but not all
    of them he said were male and female. He said, sometimes it was a male in front and a male behind.

    Jackie: What does that mean, a male in front and a female behind?

    Alan: Well, that’s what he was saying, was that they weren’t all male and females. Some of them
    were male both ways. And he was using this allegory for the fact that so many Greek aristocracy,
    well, most of them actually were homosexual, and he said they were looking for their soul mates.
    And so he used a story to validate their lifestyle you might say. So, he said, that’s why the
    aristocracy was actually involved in pedophilia really. Because they were searching out their soul
    mates. And of course, the nobility, including Plato himself.

    Jackie: And the soul mate would be male? Yes?

    Alan: That’s what he was getting at. And the Greek nobility shared an awful lot in common with the
    Egyptian nobility in that they all believed in reincarnation, but they also believed that the
    spirit or the soul, the soul itself. There’s a big, big difference between the soul and spirit
    according to Plato. But the soul itself was not gender neutral. It actually was male or
    female. So they believed they came back each time as males, you see. And because the other parts
    that would split off from them, eons before that, was what they were searching for, and supposedly
    that gave them the right to have sexual, well, interaction with young boys. The odd thing again,
    when you jump from that even to the writings in the Talmud and in Jewish folklore which comes from
    much, much older cultures, they also believe the same thing, that the deity was both male and
    female, therefore he made Adam in the same image, the perfect likeness, the perfect sameness,
    meaning that Adam was initially both male and female, and that the real fall came when the female
    was separated out of Adam.

    Jackie: Well, it says in there, male and female created he them. And I’ve always wondered, you
    know, what that particularly meant. Created he them. Male and female.

    Alan: And of course, it’s in translation you start to see the differences. In the actual Greek, the
    word that’s used for this perfect sameness is imago or image. And that actually comes from the term
    which you use to describe the shell of an insect. When you open the shell of an insect, the

    cocoon, you have the perfect image inside that cocoon of the creature that lived inside of
    it. And so, in other words, the initial Adam was the perfect sameness as the deity, meaning that he
    also had the same powers and everything. And then the female was separated eventually from him, and
    that’s when he lost his power. However, in all Masonry, and pre-Judaic, pre- Hebrew, this was
    already accepted in the Egyptian culture and in the Greek, ancient Greek culture, was that when Eve
    was separated, or the female was separated, the male retained the spirit, and the female simply
    retained the right to reproduce her own kind on the earth. And that’s still true of higher Masonry
    today. That’s why Albert Pike, and Mackay and others all said that the female can only reflect like
    the moon, she can only reflect her husband’s glory, who is the sun. He has spirit. That’s what it

    Jackie: That sounds like a friend of mine, during the time we were campaigning for Bo Gritz. He was
    one of those hellfire and brimstone guys, and he loved Paul and the Old Testament, and he called
    himself a Christian. And he was a divorcee, and he said to me one day, it was a shame that, no, no,
    that was about me, it was a shame that so many good people are going to go to hell. But he was
    talking about his wife and daughter, he said, God is no longer in that
    home. And when I asked him what he meant, he said the male is the Godhead, and when I left that
    home, God left. And let me tell you, what’s really pathetic about it, he said it not as if he
    really believed that, that he would be in pain for his wife and daughter, but he said it in a real,
    holier than thou and superior attitude, like he thought it was cool.

    Alan: Well this is an ancient belief. As I say, Masonry today has simply adopted a much older
    religion or mystery religion that flows through all the ancient cultures and the aristocracies,
    right, as I say, back to Egypt and even back to Sumer. So, this is an ancient, ancient belief,
    hidden belief in the secret societies, which still is ongoing today, that that’s the big secret,
    that Eve basically has no spirit. She is mother, which is matter. I mean, even the language
    supports this belief system, so she can only reproduce matter, whereas the male is the initiator of
    life, the female then takes over and reproduces. But her world is the world of matter. That’s what
    they believe, mother/matter, you know, so that’s why again women in the Eastern Star are fooling
    themselves and all the other, many, many branches of female side degrees, that were put in there
    simply to get the females on board as they say. Pike and Mackay and others all state that. Plus
    the Quatuor Coronati Lodge in England, which is the main historical lodge of research for
    Masonry, they all say the same thing, that these are simply show degrees, and don’t contain the
    secrets. Getting back to the hermaphrodite, it’s so odd that all priesthoods down through the ages
    have taken the same route of primarily recruiting males.

    Jackie: The what males?

    Alan: They’ve taken to recruiting mainly males to be priests. It wasn’t until the Protestant so-
    called Revolution, which wasn’t their revolution at all, it was already planned by the same side.
    There’s only one side in everything. And that’s when they started bringing the families you might
    say, the male and the female into the church. But even so, it’s still retained by the male, all the
    authority within the church. Or at least it used to be, you know. In the Catholic
    Church it still holds to that effect, and of course, in most other cultures, such as the Muslim and
    so on, it’s still, the reins of power are still in the muftis, the priests.

    Jackie: Yeah. You know what I heard, that is probably so, when God created man, she was only

    Alan: Well, sometimes I wonder, because it certainly seems to be a joke, you know.

    Jackie: Yeah, it’s a joke.

    Alan: No, this is an ancient goal, was to reach perfection as they say.

    Jackie: Well, these are weirdos, Alan. I mean, we’re talking about some real weirdos here, let’s
    face it.

    Alan: Yet they’re weirdos with the power and the system based on money.

    Jackie: To bring their dream about. Yeah, well what I’m saying though is that, just because it’s
    such an ancient held belief, I’m not saying that it isn’t a possibility that in “the beginning”
    when they were first genetically engineering the human body, maybe there were hermaphrodites, but
    where this thing about the soul comes in, I mean, that’s just idiocy. We’re dealing here with some
    real idiots. And I don’t mean idiots in the manner of not being educated, or being stupid. I mean,
    they’re idiots. They’re out of this world, Alan.

    Alan: Well, you can certainly have idiots, but the problem is that they’re idiots with power and
    that’s scary.

    Jackie: They are. You bet it is. Idiots with power.

    Alan: And when you go, again, going back to the ancient mystery religions, like the Roman
    equestrian order, that was the high nobility order, they had so much in common with what we think
    of as the Old Testament, which is just a conglomeration of the Mystery Religion, as it already
    existed in all different peoples. The equestrian order used to pitch a roofless tent in a field,
    and the novices would come in there for their initiation, and they did, definitely, have sexual,
    anal intercourse with what was then the Grand Master. And then, when you jump forward to
    the Knights Templars you find the same thing was charged against them. They were indulging in
    sexual intercourse with each other, and that is validated by a lot of different sources, including
    John Dee, who did his best to cover up for them. But he did say that was one of the
    main charges which could not be denied, and we must remember, they were also a
    priesthood. They were a priesthood, and that was quite common amongst priesthoods, you know. So,
    what you find is, here’s an interesting statement the Dalai Lama made, when he was asked, not too
    long after he’d moved out of Tibet in the ’50s, and went to Europe, he was asked what he thought of
    homosexuality. And he started to answer in the traditional Tibetan cultural stance, and then he
    checked himself, to realize that he was now in a new country with different views. And he said,
    well, if it doesn’t break the vows of chastity, then it isn’t sexual intercourse at all. In other
    words, to everybody’s way of thinking, sexual intercourse is traditionally between male and female,
    therefore it doesn’t exist, whatever men do amongst men is a different thing altogether. And that
    was the traditional excuse down through the ages amongst all male priesthoods. So, in other words,
    it’s the old story of changing perspective by the use of different words. And that’s very, very
    common. But the Knights Templars in their different statements, in different countries, did say the
    same thing, that they were sworn as brothers to alleviate each other’s sexual needs. So all this
    hoopla about the wonderful Knights Templars and the Red Cross on their chest and they were heroes,
    we have to really look at it as it was. It was vastly different from the way it’s portrayed in
    Hollywood. It was a priesthood first, and they were warriors, second. It was a priesthood.

    Jackie: Don’t they mention, don’t they mention in the Old Testament the dog priests?

    Alan: That’s right. But all of the cultures, that’s what you’ll find in all the histories of all
    the peoples, the same organization existed everywhere. And they traditionally in all temples, and
    Israel was no exception. At least the Israel that we know of did exist for about 500 to 400BC, it
    was no exception, and the archaeologists have proved it. When you went to the temple, affixed to
    the temple at the front door, there was always the hall of prostitutes, where you would go in and
    have ritual intercourse, generally with a prostitute. That was the generative power. That was part
    of the process.

    Jackie: A female, you mean?

    Alan: A female. But they also saw one on the other side of the main entrance, and that has a male
    standing there. So it led off there for the males, if you wanted a male instead. And that was the
    same in all, in Egypt, in Greece, all over.

    Jackie: Well, let’s bring this back to today if we could, because you were telling me that they
    have already announced it, in scientific journals, etc, that they’re able to create hermaphrodites

    Alan: Yes. In fact, NASA did a two-hour documentary special, and it was narrated by David Suzuki,
    who does the wildlife programs generally, and he’s a geneticist actually. They talked about going
    off to mine the planets. So you can imagine the cost of tin eventually, if they’re going off the
    mine the planets. They said it might take many years to get to a planet. And the first thing they’d
    have to do, just like the old, old Star Trek series, they’d have to build underground quarters for
    living accommodations. They said the trip would take so long that they’d have to alter the human
    body, perhaps into the hermaphroditic type, which is self- reproducing, and can also be put into a
    state of hibernation, and of course, what they were getting at as well, was that there would be
    less tension, by having the same species, just one type, no male and female in conflict or
    competition with each other, or competition with other males.

    Jackie: And they could reproduce themselves.

    Alan: Yes. That’s the whole idea. And they said that they could actually do that and, in fact, they
    said they could make a human to be, alter a human to live in any type of terrain, or climate, and
    they could actually make you like Cousin It, if you imagine. Cousin It was in, what do you call
    that program that used to be on, the Addams Family. It was covered in hair.

    Jackie: I don’t know. I didn’t watch the Addams Family.

    Alan: So if they went into an arctic type region, they could create a type of humanoid, and they
    can do it. They said that, that would be covered with its own fur. They could. They can do that.

    Jackie: This was a NASA presentation.

    Alan: Yes and it was big, they spared no expense, naturally, because this is all to get the public
    to accept the vast expenditures into space research. And of course, Joe Average has been geared up
    and brainwashed into supporting it and thinking it’s exciting, when in reality, it has nothing to
    do with Joe Average. It’s only the plan of a small elite for the benefit of a small elite, and for
    the furtherance of their plan, which is to basically do on other planets what they’ve done here on
    earth. Suck the life out of it, basically. They said that the hermaphrodite can be
    made. So, they obviously have plans to do it, since they admit they can do it. I have no doubt

    they’ve been testing. We know for instance that long before the double helix and the genes and so
    on were actually physically seen, they knew they were there. And if you read Rutherford, who was
    the great mathematician, who did the dimensions of the Great Pyramid, Rutherford in his own memoirs
    said that he was employed by the World Medical Association. This is the beginning of the 1900s.
    He’s talking about a World Medical Association. And he said, to study human genes. Now, why would
    you need a mathematician to study human genes around 1910, when supposedly they couldn’t even see
    the genes by then? He’s giving it away that they could. They were way, way ahead of what we’re
    told. And I’m sure the experimentation has been going on for an awful long time, and that’s why
    they’re so confident they can create anything that they want.

    Jackie: I had a question that you explained. We were talking about the chromosomes, the X and the Y
    chromosomes. And I had to be refreshed on that. The woman carries the X, the male carries the Y.
    And then a male/female mating, if it’s an X Chromosome that mixes with hers it’s going to be a
    girl, but otherwise if it’s a Y and an X, it’s going to be a male. Is that correct?

    Alan: Yes. That’s right, and of course that’s part of the mystery too, that they’ve always known,
    that the male produces in his sperm both X and Y.

    Jackie: Oh, and the female only produces the X.

    Alan: That’s right. So, when the male Y, and of course the letter Y in Freemasonry means two in
    one, two into one. That’s why they have such a big to-do about the letter Y. Every letter in the
    alphabet means something in Masonry.

    Jackie: Yes, and the X, really, literally could mean exed out. Alan: The X is also something that
    you write off or discard. Jackie: Yeah, like the X Generation.
    Alan: That’s right.

    Jackie: Or like, you said, Ex, the former. So, my question was, in my mind, that I asked you, how
    in the world does it reproduce. This creature would have to have, of course, the male testes. It
    would have to have a female uterus, and that was where I was feeling confused. But you explained,
    maybe what you knew, or at least you figured could happen.

    Alan: We are in a scientific age, where they can literally extract anything from any body. Jackie:
    I know, but in a natural way, how would they reproduce?
    Alan: Well that would be a new natural way, you see. That would be the new natural. And of course,
    they don’t even have to have the male external organ to do it. They can simply extract it and
    again, replant it you might say in another area.

    Jackie: Or right up there.

    Alan: It won’t be that difficult. And since they say that they can do it, it means they’ve already
    done it.

    Jackie: Exactly. And it’s actually, it could say exactly where it is, when you think about it. Just
    retract, you know, the outward appendages, but, okay, my question was, would they have to have
    sexual intercourse, in order to do it. And you said, that probably not.

    Alan: I don’t think they’d actually want that. I think they’d rather eliminate the sexual desire

    Jackie: So they would create this creature to where it would somehow get a sperm connected up with
    an egg. I mean, the body would have to be built somehow, where it could be released, or something.
    Yes, Alan?

    Alan: Yeah, it could be. Or again, once again, it could be extracted, even. Jackie: You mean by
    outer means, by somebody else doing it. I have a feeling…. Alan: Or even a machine, really.
    Jackie: A machine, okay, whatever. But I have a feeling, I don’t know why, but if they’re going to
    do this, they’re going to try to make it so it will all happen without having, you know, to plug in
    or whatever. That there will be, maybe they wouldn’t like that though. They would lose some
    control, wouldn’t they, Alan?

    Alan: Yes. And I can see the day coming, and they’ve written about this too. There’s a book called,
    Future Man, and I’ve got the ISBN and the author and so on in the Second Book that I put out.
    That’s an official scientific book, by various genetic research organizations, and it goes through
    a lot of this information, and they do, they’ve had huge meetings, international meetings about
    creating new types of humans to meet the scientific requirements of a scientific age.

    Jackie: I can’t imagine. We have to, wait. Hold your thought. Because we’re about to take a break
    and I’m just going to repeat what I said the other night. I can’t imagine this world without women.
    We’ll be back, folks, right after this, with Alan Watt, in this intriguing conversation.

    (Commercial Break)

    Jackie: And we’re back with Alan Watt, and we’re talking about, folks, if this sounds, really way
    out there to you, it’s only because it is. And yet, Alan, in the books that he has done provides as
    he was saying before the broadcast, the actual pages from these books, where they’re talking about
    it. And the clues are there. And it’s interesting Alan, not too long after we talked about this,
    the first time on the air. Now, I think it was probably a few years ago, there was a big, what do
    you call, documentary on one of the channels. I have C-band satellite, so I don’t get all the
    mainstream, but HBO or one of those. And it was on hermaphrodites. And it was about people who were
    born, and yet, in this documentary, for the most part, the parents either had them turned in from
    one, either to one or the other sex. But basically, there’s an organization of hermaphrodites, and
    what they were saying, these are people who didn’t have the change, that who they are and what they
    are is just fine. And boy, if that isn’t getting people ready to accept this, I don’t know what is.

    Alan: Well, we’re in tremendous flux right now. Everything that was natural, or seemed natural, is
    in flux now. It’s deliberately made so. And of course, this has been written about by various
    organizations, including the Communists, of course. They said a time would come where the

    Western Civilizations would almost crumble, and be ready to be born anew into another direction,
    and that’s what’s happening. Everything that used to be valued as normal has been totally broken
    down. And the Masons have terms for it where they build. In the Middle Ages they built huge
    cathedrals, and as they were building a new one, they were dismantling the old at the same time.
    That’s why they call themselves Masons. It’s society they build, and that has been under attack for
    a long time, especially since World War II. That was the first change, when they put the women
    into the workforce, as an excuse that the men were off to war. And then of course it was followed
    by massive campaigns to get women into the workforce continuously, and in Europe, they played it
    out there that they had to get it for extras, to supplement her husband’s pay, and then it became
    of course standard. And now as you know it’s the norm. So women have been encouraged to give up
    that one outstanding and unique feature that they have, which is to have children. And they give it
    up at the expense of their own psychological health and the detriment of the people, of course, in
    order to get a career.

    Jackie: Because they think they have to.

    Alan: This is all encouraged, deliberately so. We had the sexual revolution, we must remember, the
    term was revolution. We had the pop revolution, and then the rock revolution. So all of this came
    at the same time. And the drug revolution. To destroy that which was, in order to prepare the way
    for that which is to come, which is the new society, which is already planned by people you’ll
    never see.

    Jackie: Yes. And you know, a thought that occurred to me, which is a little frightening, because,
    okay, I guess what I’m doing is stepping into their shoes. The people, the children who are brought
    up into this “new society”, everything is so normal to them, what we call normal and what is
    normal in our mind, may have been given to us as normal.

    Alan: That’s right.

    Jackie: Okay, do you see what I’m saying, Alan? And yet, everything that isn’t, what seems normal,
    natural. I would have to say natural. But then again, we don’t know how much genetic tinkering,
    even with our food and the flowers, and all the plants, everything.

    Alan: The inoculations even.

    Jackie: Well, yes. But genetic tinkering, I’m talking with everything that to us is natural today.
    Alan: Of course.
    Jackie: And so, if that is a possibility, I guess what I’m saying is, stepping into their shoes,
    anything else other than as it is would seem abnormal.

    Alan: Sure and especially with the massive indoctrination that they get at school, which actually
    begins at kindergarten, the whole sociological program towards what they will eventually experience
    in their lifetime, and the changes which will come when they hit thirty or forty, and how they will
    react to it. That’s programmed into them as soon as they’re two years old at kindergarten, in

    Jackie: What was the movie, not Nineteen Eighty-Four, but, you know, where they have the incubator
    babies and things like that?

    Alan: That’s Aldous Huxley’s book, Brave New World.

    Jackie: Thank you, Brave New World. Shoot, there was something that I wanted to say about that, and
    I’ve forgotten what it was, trying to remember what the heck the name of the book was. Just go
    ahead and continue, Alan.

    Alan: Well again that’s a good example.

    Jackie: Oh, I remember. I remember, remember the people who didn’t succumb to the system, who were
    living far away, that was in Brave New World, wasn’t it. They called them the Savages. And I
    remember these women sitting around saying, oh my God, you’re saying that they actually give birth
    to a baby from their body, because in that time, it was all the, what do you call them, from the
    bottles. And that’s exactly what could happen today, it truly is.

    Alan: Well, there’s been a lot of movies like that. Sylvester Stallone did one movie where he’s a
    cop who goes into the future through cryogenics. He’s frozen, and wakes up in the future, and he
    finds out they don’t have sexual intercourse and exchange bodily fluids. They use that term, you
    know, and the actress that played his opposite there looked disgusted that they actually used to
    literally mingle their bodies and their bodily fluids together. So, this has been, they’ve got this
    across, in so many different ways, because all fiction is simply predictive programming, as
    Tavistock calls it. It prepares our mind to accept something which we will experience in our
    lifetime. And because we saw it though fiction, it seems familiar and the idea isn’t so
    horrible. That’s why it’s portrayed this way.

    Jackie: And as you were saying Alan, when we were having this conversation previously, and I always
    wish when we have those kinds of conversations we’re actually doing it on the air, but what you
    were saying, you see, because in my mind, it was difficult to imagine how a man would want to not
    be with a woman, or that a woman would accept, you know, that type of a thing. And it’s as you
    said. The women are already giving up the femininity of what a woman is.

    Alan: Absolutely.

    Jackie: They’re giving it up.

    Alan: Carl Jung wrote a book called Memories, Dreams and Reflections, and a few other books. He was
    the psychiatrist that really was a true psychiatrist, as opposed to Freud, who was a fraud. And
    Carl Jung did a visit to the States, in about 1953, and he was astounded, he
    said, when women lose their eros, their femininity and begin to emulate the males, then he said,
    that culture is on the decline to things unknown. And he said he saw that for the first time in
    America, back in the ’50s, where women literally tried to match the men in their strides, in the
    way that they walked, their gestures, and also, even emulating the kind of speech that men
    generally use. So he saw it being portrayed right in front of his eyes in the United States. So
    that’s true. When a culture loses its eros it’s ready for anything that their masters plan for
    it. Because there’s nothing to hold on to. You only fight for that which is. When it’s already in
    flux, and it is not what it was, then there’s nothing to fight for, you see. And that’s the trick
    of this whole system. It’s so slick, so clever, that as we watch things changing, we are
    automatically adapting to them. We’re being downloaded with propaganda on a daily basis, from so
    many sources, that by the time we realize what’s happening it’s already too late. And it’s almost
    overwhelming. We also have to realize that the men have their sperm counts taken every year by the
    UN, they do surveys. Now, the UN has never declared why they’re doing these surveys

    on the Western countries since the 1950s. And last year, the sperm count in the average Western
    male, including America, actually in Britain, it was down 85% of what it was in 1950.

    Jackie: In Britain or America?

    Alan: In Britain. America was 75% down. So, in other words, the men are only 25% fertile as they
    were, as opposed to 1950. And the UN gives these statements every year. They never qualify it with
    a comment as to why they’re doing this study. You would think for instance, they would say, this is
    a crisis situation, but they don’t, and that’s the tell-tale that this is an
    agenda. That it’s being caused by probably the inoculations I think, primarily, and since the polio
    vaccines began in the ’50s, by Doctor Salk. Now Dr. Salk is known for the polio vaccine, he’s
    lauded as a hero, and yet, when you go into the history books, about this man, he belonged to the
    World Eugenics Society. He believed in survival of the fittest. And he was all for eradicating the
    common person, because he said, in the future to come we won’t need all these laborer workers.

    Jackie: And that is the truth.

    Alan: And he said there’s too many of them, and they’ll have to be eliminated. And this is the guy
    that comes forth with a vaccine to save us?

    Jackie: Yes. And tell our listeners what you heard him say on the television at a Round Table.

    Alan: This is a CBC documentary, in fact, on him. And they showed you old 8mm clips where he’s
    talking, he’s standing in his white coat with a couple of his partners, and he said, oh, yes, he
    says, we did know that there were over a hundred simian or monkey viruses in each polio shot, he
    said, but we thought it outweighed the risks, you know, the benefits would outweigh the risks. And
    he said, we did know that the Simian 40 Virus, that’s just a numbering system to identify the
    particular one, and this is the fortieth virus they identified that everybody got, had one
    function, and that was to cause cancerous tumors. So they knew all of this.

    Jackie: I thought you said brain tumors. Alan: No, it’s all cancers.
    Jackie: Oh, just cancerous tumors, period.

    Alan: And so they knew this. This comes from a man who in his own circle was better known for his
    speeches on eugenics and population control. And yet, they conned the whole Western World into
    taking this shot, and now we find that most men are almost sterile.

    Jackie: Well, I’ll tell you what a lot of that probably has to do with too, is the estrogen

    Alan: That’s a plus factor.

    Jackie: Well, yes. Because according to Kurt Nubian, his information comes basically from Dr. John
    Lee. There are 60,000 sources today of xenoestrogen, and xenoestrogen, folks, is an artificial
    estrogen, but the estrogen dominance causes femininity in men. It causes infertility. It causes
    women to have endometriosis. In fact, one of the reports that I found on this, Alan, came from a
    Canadian doctor. And what was amazing to me, is that he said, for the past fifty years,

    and you remember, what’s his name, Charles Galton Darwin’s book, in the Next Million Years, that
    was done in the fifties, and he was talking about the use of the hormones, and how they would
    change the people.

    Alan: If you want to pacify aggressive males who might just upset the apple cart during massive
    changes, you stop them from being aggressive males, and you make them effeminate. And that’s been
    done. It makes perfect sense.

    Jackie: Yeah, but it’s also causing. Okay, look at what else it’s causing, besides sterility in the
    male, the low sperm count, they said that the incidence of hysterectomies, total hysterectomies, in
    Britain is high, only just behind the U.S., and they said something like 40-some percent of women
    will wind up getting total hysterectomies, and not even having to if they had their hormones
    balanced. So, you’ve got the men losing their sperm count, and you’ve got the women having their
    reproductive organs taken out, Alan.

    Alan: Yeah. And you’ve got population control. Jackie: No lie. Population control, big time.
    Alan: And of course, what they didn’t, and they never do, promote through any of the Hollywood
    movies or the sexual educational programs, is the fact that most women are becoming infertile
    through their fallopian tubes being infected with chlamydia, which is a long, long acting

    Jackie: And it’s sexually transmitted.

    Alan: Sexually transmitted. And so many men have it and don’t know they’ve got it, because in the
    man, he has a mild, very mild warming, not a burning on urination, and he’ll think nothing of it.
    And so many, in fact, they did a survey in Toronto, as being an average Western city, they did a
    survey about a year ago, and they found that about 60% of women, 25 and under, were carrying one or
    more sexually transmitted diseases.

    Jackie: Oh my god.

    Alan: Because they’re so promiscuous. That’s the new norm, you see. That is the new norm. Jackie:
    Well, they’ve covered their bases. I mean, they just don’t miss a lick, Alan.
    Alan: No, they don’t. It’s total warfare on the public, and it always has been. Only now, over the
    last century, they stepped up the scientific techniques to accomplish it. I mean, Proctor and
    Gamble admitted, there’s another thing, they promoted, don’t breastfeed your children. And they
    came out with the ostermilk they called it, over in Europe. And of course, the big pull again
    was to women’s vanity. Your breasts won’t sag so much if you don’t breastfeed your
    children. And so many children lost out on the kicking off, the starting off, of their immune
    system, which they got from their mother’s milk. And then Proctor and Gamble promoted the other big
    thing. Well, babies need special food now, you see. I don’t know how we managed for thousands of
    years without Proctor and Gamble. And they were using a sterilization agent, a fluid, to wash out
    the jars before they put the baby food in it. And it just turns out that years later they find out
    that it’s also an artificial form of estrogen, a synthetic estrogen, and they didn’t know that at
    the time. And sure you have all these effeminate males now. So, this is a plan.

    Jackie: And I wanted to say this too, for our listeners, folks, plastics, I added this information,
    and Darren has already put it in, about what Alan and I are talking about, and to give you just a
    little list there of sources of the xenoestrogens, and basically, we spray it in our rooms, we
    spray it in the air, we brush with it, we smell it, we sleep with it, we live with it, we
    slather it on our bodies. It’s just about in everything. This information is there. And we also,
    Alan, I wanted to say this, I thought about it while you were talking. We talked about this a
    long time ago, and I read to our listeners a report titled, The Deneuralization of America, or the
    Population, and this was extremely researched. I went into probably two thirds of the sources
    that this article gave, and they were there, you know, the source scientific journals, etc. So, be
    sure to check that out. Alan, go ahead, I’m sorry.

    Alan: I should mention the fact that I’ve got these three books to sell, you know. They’re called
    Cutting Through, and there’s 1, 2, and 3. The three of them. And if you want one or all of them [
    see ] and I’ll send them out to you when you order them.









    Jackie: There you go. And be sure that you put your full name and address and return address on it,
    or they won’t deliver your mail. And the books are certainly, definitely, worth
    having. Basically, what it does, well, it’s based on information that Alan shared with us over a
    couple or three years. And confirmation of the information that he has given us, and I say that he
    brought us out of the Dark Ages. He brought us out of the forest, so we could see the trees, and
    it’s not been a happy or easy ride folks. I will admit that. And I think about you. I mean, Alan, I
    just finished those three chapters of the book, and I was in a funk that was not good, and I
    realized that I literally was just emotionally exhausted. And it was discovering the details of the
    things that you had already told us, but it was in more of a general way. And to be able to look,
    behind the scenes, and see all of the players, it was almost overwhelming to me. So, I think about
    our listeners. I think about them and how they feel. And folks, just know that, I don’t know,
    rather than bemoaning all of what we’re learning, maybe give thanks that we are coming closer to
    the truth than we’ve ever been in this lifetime. We’ll be back with you tomorrow
    night. Thank you for being here, Alan Watt. Thank you, so much. Alan: It’s a pleasure.
    Jackie: As always, thank you. Ladies and Gentlemen, Good Night and God Bless You.

    Jackie Patru: Good Evening, Ladies and Gentlemen. Thank you very much for joining us tonight on
    Sweet Liberty. This is the 26th? Yes, Alan?

    Alan Watt: 27th, I think.

    Jackie: Oh, 27th? I just lost another day. It’s Wednesday the 27th of July. You were right, Alan.
    I had to check my calendar. It’s the 27th of July, in the year 2005, folks and as you obviously are
    aware, Alan Watt is with us again tonight. Let me first begin here with our spiritual message. And
    we’ll bring Alan up. This is from Ephesians 6, beginning with verse 12. Well, we’ll start with
    verse 10 here. “Finally my brethren be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. Put on
    the whole armor of God that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle
    not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the
    darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, wherefore take unto you the
    whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all to
    stand.” Every time I read that, I think about that wrestling, Alan. I mean we wrestle not against
    flesh and blood. It is without. It is also within. The wrestling goes on within us. I know that. I
    know that. First of all, I want to say hello to our very good friend, John, and his friend, Bill,
    and their family who are camping in Allegheny State Park, here in Pennsylvania. John is from New
    York. And he was Chuck’s boss, but Chuck’s very, very good friend. I was thinking about this
    tonight. I got a call from John, Alan. And they’re out camping, and they have their shortwave, and
    he called to get the coordinates. I hope they can bring it
    in. It occurred to me they’re out there in the woods, but when Chuck passed over, besides for
    myself and my family, my children and grandchildren who absolutely adored Chuck, I believe
    probably, and his family, of course, but John his friend probably was impacted the most of anybody
    that I know. They were very close. And so, I want to say hello. And I hope you guys are listening,
    John and Bill at least. And Alan, thank you for being with us tonight.

    Alan: Yeah, it’s a pleasure.

    Jackie: I wanted to share something with you, with our listeners. I pulled up some email, Alan, in
    fact when you called. That’s what I was doing. There has been a bill that was passed that was
    yesterday, on the 26th. I guess it just came to light today. This came right from the government
    website, Thomas, where the bills and the status, etc. Folks this is Senate bill
    442. Listen to this, Alan. It’s a bill to provide for the Secretary of Homeland Security to be
    included in the line of Presidential succession. Isn’t that amazing?

    Alan: It makes sense though.

    Jackie: Well this was sponsored for our listeners in Ohio, Senator Mike Dewine of Ohio. And Alan,
    it passed the Senate without amendment and with unanimous consent.

    Alan: Well, they all get their marching orders before they even see it.

    Jackie: Yeah. Michael Chertoff, you know I have made the statement, because I had read it, that he
    had been the former head of the KGB, and I think that it was not Michael Chertoff. I think it was
    somebody else, an appointee of Bush’s, but what I did is I got some information on Chertoff, just
    to clean this up with our listeners, because folks, I’m not confident that he was, as I have said,
    the former head of the KGB in Russia, but he is a dual Israeli/American citizen, US citizen, he’s a
    son of a rabbi, he’s a former assistant attorney general for the criminal division of the justice
    department. I had never heard of him before, Alan. And listen to this, Michael Chertoff, dual
    Israeli/US citizen, oversees the US bureau of citizenship and immigration. My, my. So, we can, I
    guess, he’s the one that gives the rules for how many of these illegals get to come across the
    border and etc.

    Alan: That’s the whole agenda. Everything is international already; it’s just that the public don’t
    know it.

    Jackie: Yeah, well, you know, this, it makes you wonder what might be up. I mean, what do they know
    or whatever is in the plan, why they’re. Wouldn’t that be frightening?

    Alan: Well, as I say, it’s an old, old plan. Albert Pike talked about it extensively, and said that
    Freemasonry would be used to push it worldwide through revolutionary movements, and it has done so.

    Jackie: Through the revolutionary, yes.

    Alan: And of course, if you remember, it was Dodd that did the inquiry into the merging of the
    Soviet system with the American system.

    Jackie: Oh, you’re talking about the educational system? Alan: The whole system altogether, when he
    did the inquiry. Jackie: Norman Dodd.
    Alan: That’s right. And of course, that’s what the Ford Foundation told him, that was their job, to
    change the culture in such a way that it would blend smoothly with the Soviet system.

    Jackie: As a matter of fact that was during the time that Congressman B. Carroll Reece was holding
    the hearings, congressional hearings. I think that was in the 50s, wasn’t it, Alan?

    Alan: It had to be.

    Jackie: Yeah, the congressional hearings on the foundations, tax-exempt foundations, and for just
    further for our listeners, folks, Norman Dodd was one, he had some type of position on that
    committee; but it was the Ford Foundation he went to, Alan?

    Alan: Yes.

    Jackie: And when he asked to see their meetings of their minutes folks, and the man told him
    simply, and this was according to Norman Dodd, the man said, well, I would like to be able to you
    know, help you here, but he said that all of our meetings, our minutes are archived away, because
    he said after our work was done, after was it, was it, Alan, was it after the UN, after the US
    joined the UN. But he said that their function had been, and they felt that they had completed it,
    to see that the US could be comfortably merged with the Soviet Union.

    Alan: And you must realize what a gigantic enterprise that was. It meant that the educational
    system had already been taken over and was working towards that, because most of it is through
    indoctrination, and of course, the bureaucracies, people don’t realize that bureaucracies,
    federal bureaucracies deal directly with their counterparts at the UN. There’s a similar
    bureaucracy for every level that your federal government has set up within the UN. So they don’t
    have to go and see representatives, they go straight to the UN and that’s been going on since the
    League of Nations. H.G. Wells talked about it in 1919. He said that that means the bureaucracies
    and the heads of bureaucracies can deal directly with the League of Nations and bypass all
    representatives that are elected. So this has been going on for an awful long time.

    Jackie: Who was it that you quoted, the Freemason? Alan: Albert Pike.
    Jackie: Pike, right, Albert Pike. The connections of Freemasonry with revolutions, with the
    American Revolution, and…

    Alan: And the English one before that.

    Jackie: Well, with all revolutions, Alan. But that’s what got me looking into it, because of all
    the reading that I’ve done, and there, from their own words, they keep claiming that, you know,
    their hand is behind every revolution. And for some reason, I guess because we’re so brainwashed,
    you know, the American Revolution, the War for Independence, that was exempt in my
    mind. That didn’t count because that was different. And realized how their influence in the early
    colonies and in the Constitutional Convention, and etc, that was when the question entered my mind,
    Alan, well, what would make us think if they were behind every revolution, that the American
    Revolution was spontaneous? And it was a real downer for me. But, you know, it’s like that quote,
    at least attributed to Patrick Henry, for me, I would know the truth, the painful truth. I would
    rather know the truth than to continue to live in the lies that we were born into.

    Alan: Yeah. I mean, they’d had international meetings before the Revolution in America, the leaders
    of Britain and France and other countries that were empire builders, and of course they

    could only go so far with their own populations who knew darn well that there was a small clique in
    every capital city running the whole show and benefiting from the wars. And they’d gone as far as
    they could go, so they had to get a new knight in shining armor to pretend that they were going to
    lead the world to freedom. And so they created the United States.

    Jackie: The land of the free and the home of the brave.

    Alan: That’s what it was for. And of course, that’s why they said Novus Ordo Seclorum. It’s a new
    earthly or secular order. And that’s bringing in the New World Order, and that’s what it was
    designed to do and all of its symbols are out in the open.

    Jackie: And they referred to America as the New World. The New World Order. One of the things that
    I also delved into, and convinced myself and I hope the readers, that it isn’t funny, I don’t know
    why I laugh at some of this sick stuff sometimes, Alan. We did not, the Americans did not win that
    war against Great Britain. And when you look at the treaties in the first place, that first battle,
    or the last battle of Yorktown I believe it was, Cornwallis ceded the battle but not the war. And
    it was quite a while after that before a treaty was actually signed. And you see when you read that
    treaty that it was the king that was laying down all the parameters. Even to where the colonists
    could fish, where they could dry their fish, and etc. And then nine years later there was another
    treaty, it’s called Jay’s Treaty, and Jay, by the way, after he got back from England, from
    agreeing to this thing, was burned in effigy all over the country. And Alexander Hamilton,
    the king’s man, was behind this treaty, but basically the people even knew when word got out, what
    he had done, knew that he had sold America out. But nine years later, they were still, Britain,
    England, still had military bases or forts out West, and they were still doing their trapping all
    over, you know, just as though it was still their country, and that was nine years after the
    so-called War of Independence was won by Americans. It’s really sick, Alan.

    Alan: Well, when you’ve got to deceive the people, it has to be real. So you create real wars, but
    only those at the bottom think it’s for the reasons that they’re fighting. The guys at the top are
    well aware that, as Carroll Quigley said, wars are fought to change society. It brings about social
    changes. And sure enough, people swallowed it. They thought they’d won. They worked really hard
    thinking they were working for themselves. They built up massive farms everywhere. And of course,
    it never dawned on them that this hidden priesthood, let’s call them, work in centuries, and they
    knew they could take it all back from them a hundred or two hundred or three hundred years down the
    road. That’s how they plan things. And of course, America was the great hope for all the people who
    were getting thrown out of countries like Scotland and Ireland on mass, at the point of bayonets.
    And these are the people who came across and started to clear the land and make something that was
    just wild forest before, and swamps.

    Jackie: Yeah, but they still had the land barons. When you read Charles Beard’s book, An Economic
    Interpretation of the Constitution, what you realize is that the people who came over here and did
    all the labor, and did the settling, the land that was available to them was not the cream of the
    crop, because the land barons had already scooped up thousands and thousands of acres of the best

    Alan: Washington was one of them.

    Jackie: Of course, yes he was. And people came over here and either had to take just, you know, the
    crumbs so to speak, or pay high dollar to get a decent. And when the movement in America began
    heading westward, the speculators just went out west and bought up land

    there. And so by the time the people got there, once again, these elite had all of the cream of
    the crop of the land out west. It’s really a comedown, you know. You live in this dream, Alan. You
    know, the dream, the American Dream.

    Alan: Well, that’s what a dream is. It’s not real.
    Jackie: Of course, although what I realized is this baby is a nightmare. Alan: Yeah, you wake up
    from the dream into the nightmare.
    Jackie: Into the nightmare, yes.
    Alan: When you wake up. This is an old, old scam, and it’s been used before in history, and it’s
    simply used again. And after the skirmish, I call it, of 1812, it was Baron Rothschild’s son who
    was sent over to reestablish the border between Canada and the US. And he sat down with both sides
    and he drew up the 49th parallel, and they love the number 49, you know.

    Jackie: 49, but why? What does that signify?

    Alan: It’s 9 and 4, 13. That’s one of their favorite numbers. That’s why before most towns you’ll
    see 13 miles or 13 kilometers to, and that’s the last signpost you’ll see. It’s all Masonic. It’s
    everywhere. And that’s the laugh on the public, because most of them don’t realize it. They’re
    living in another world designed by another religion, and Albert Pike says that quite definitely
    two or three times in his own book. He says, make no mistake, Freemasonry is a religion. And it’s a
    very deep religion, and towards the top it’s probably the most elitist religion on the
    planet. At the bottom they think it’s a self-improvement society, but at the top, you know, it’s a
    world where the elite have the right to live on the schmucks below. That’s how it’s
    designed. Another good book to read is the Robber Barons. That’s an oldie. And most libraries
    probably still have a copy. And that tells you how the taxpayer funded the building of the
    railroads, which were basically handed over to the private companies. And I know in Canada, most of
    the politicians all had shares in it. So, once again, the public finances big enterprises.
    Jackie: Who wrote the Robber Barons? Alan: I’ve even got the cartoons.
    Jackie: Do you remember who wrote the book, Alan?

    Alan: I can’t remember his name, but it’s well documented and it’s got all the names of the
    participants and the elite families, and how they ended up not only getting the railroad tracks
    built, but they got so many miles on either side of the track for free.

    Jackie: Yes, they did.

    Alan: And you know, it’s one scam after another. In fact, the Bronfmans came in from Russia, in the
    late 1800s, in the first wave, they came from Russia, about 1880, and they just happened to set up
    out in Saskatchewan way, and sure enough, eventually along comes the railroad going right through
    their land, and this very, very poor farming family we’re told, who probably did no
    all, and whose name in Yiddish just happens to mean Whiskey Man, that’s what
    Bronfman means.


    Jewish (eastern Ashkenazic): metonymic occupational name for a seller of spirits, from Yiddish bronfman ‘alcohol’, ‘vodka’, ‘spirits’ + man ‘man’.

    Bronfman Name Meaning –